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1 posted on 11/20/2008 8:25:28 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

What will this do to mortgage rates?


2 posted on 11/20/2008 8:28:22 PM PST by icwhatudo
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks for this excellent analysis. You have just scared the Cr*p out of me!


3 posted on 11/20/2008 8:30:10 PM PST by April Lexington (We are now in the era of Timothy Leary Economics!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Could not believe my eyes when I checked TNX this afternoon. That yield is straight from the late 50s, my friends.


4 posted on 11/20/2008 8:32:55 PM PST by NetSurfer (It wasn't an election. It was The Fraudulent Selection.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So does this boil down to good news or bad news?


5 posted on 11/20/2008 8:38:39 PM PST by rawhide
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To: SeekAndFind

The bond market was signaling that inflation wasn’t a problem even when housing and energy prices were out of control. That didn’t stop the gods at the central banks from being “concerned” about inflation and inverting their yield curves, though.


6 posted on 11/20/2008 8:39:35 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Grampa Dave
This will take your mind off fishing unless in the Napa River for survival. I am going to battle this by buying one roll of toilet paper at a time...
7 posted on 11/20/2008 8:39:45 PM PST by tubebender (Retirement...The art and science of Killing time before it Kills you...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Perhaps someone has seen an opportunity to destabilize the market?

I know...no such thing as a conspiracy.


8 posted on 11/20/2008 8:41:28 PM PST by Doug TX
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m completely ignorant here, but how can we have deflation when the government if printing money like crazy?


9 posted on 11/20/2008 8:45:57 PM PST by loreldan (Santorum, where are you?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Perhaps some leaked information from the G20 or some of the G20 members making their moves.


10 posted on 11/20/2008 8:47:30 PM PST by razorback-bert (Save the planet...it is the only known one with beer!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Can you imagine borrowing money, and having the lender pay you interest instead of the other way around?

I believe that's what depositors in Japanese banks did in the 1990s.

There were negative rates of interest for depositors.

11 posted on 11/20/2008 8:48:38 PM PST by happygrl (BORG: Barack 0bama Resistance Group: we will not be assimilated)
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To: SeekAndFind
Cash, and by extension Treasurys, are KING.

All non-cash assets will succumb to a major deflation.

12 posted on 11/20/2008 9:00:32 PM PST by Mariner
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To: rabscuttle385; TigerLikesRooster

$ ping


22 posted on 11/20/2008 9:28:53 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Don't blame me, I voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin. Well, for Sarah Palin, anyway.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Gary K weighs in:

On The Ledge Again!
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By Gary Kaltbaum | TradingMarkets.com

Gary Kaltbaum is an investment adviser with over 18 years experience, and a Fox News Channel Business Contributor. Gary is the author of The Investors Edge. Mr. Kaltbaum is also the host of the nationally syndicated radio show “Investors Edge” on over 50 radio stations. Gary is also editor and publisher of “Gary Kaltbaum’s Trendwatch”... a weekly and monthly technical analysis research report for the institutional investor.

Before I get into the technicals, a few things to ponder:

Why is GE having to raise more capital? Is GE just another company who has lied about the condition they are in?

Is CITI next? As you know, I have been calling for single digits in CITI for months. Man...did I get flak for that one! Not anymore. The problem for CITI is not what I think - but as always - what the market thinks. The market forced FNM, FRE, AIG, LEH, BSC and the rest’s hand. CITI is acting like the rest of the cadavers. I think there is a decent chance CITI is next. I cannot believe I am saying that. Prince Alwaleed cannot be a happy man.

Yesterday’s nonsense on Capital Hill is symbolic of corporate culture run amok. How these imbeciles can fly on private planes to ask for money is beyond reason. I must also say I get sick to my stomach every time I see Bob Nardelli...who walked into Home Depot, took out about $250 million...left the company’s culture in shambles...and immediately gets a job running Chrysler.

The credit markets are locked up, do not believe the pundits that are saying credit markets are thawing. All one has to do is see the plunge in U.S. Treasury rates. The latest move was set off by the bumbling, mumbling, stumbling and pitiful fool named Paulson, who publicly announced he changed his mind. This TARP vote will go down in history as one of the stupidest yes votes in history, and I am proud I was against it vociferously. (I think that is a word!)

It continues to amaze me how easily so many fell for this crap when it was proposed by one of the people who caused all these problems. Again, Paulson lobbied this same Congress years ago to raise the leverage for companies like Goldman Sachs...and of course, Paulson ran Goldman Sachs. This was an easy puzzle to put together. Paulson actually argued that “the financial markets are much more stable today than before the TARP”. Who is he trying to kid? ABX and CMBX spreads are predicting a not so nice outcome. I gather this man is counting down the days when he can get out of this job.

Every major index (except the DOW) has broken into new bear market low ground. The DOW always holds best during these drops as money parks itself into megacap companies that pervade the DOW. The only good news here is that the thousands of bottom callers will finally be shut up. The bad news is that the internals are horrid...and buying continues to be anemic into the massive supply of stock that keeps hitting the market. In fact, in the past two days, the internals have been as bad as I have ever seen.

I am not one to give targets but I am one that knows if a market is ready to turn or not. So far, not. There is underlying support down at the last bear market lows at 7200 DOW and 768 S&P. It amazes me, I actually have to mention these levels. This recent ridiculous whipsawing we have been seeing has now only led to another leg down. We may get some waterfall action here because of the break but not sure. I remain in 100% cash and I remain up in this bear market for the ages.

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23 posted on 11/20/2008 9:31:25 PM PST by Matchett-PI (2008 = The Year of the Toilet for 'RATS (They just don't know it yet))
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To: Toddsterpatriot; SAJ; AndyJackson

Like, *PING*, dudes.


25 posted on 11/20/2008 9:35:41 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: SeekAndFind

4 later


32 posted on 11/20/2008 10:50:58 PM PST by AprilfromTexas
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive

ping!


34 posted on 11/20/2008 11:39:11 PM PST by LanaTurnerOverdrive ("I've done a few things in my life I'm not proud of, and the things I am proud of are disgusting.")
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To: Stillwaters

Ping for another deflationary warning


45 posted on 11/21/2008 3:48:27 PM PST by lonevoice (Ich bin ein plumber)
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To: SeekAndFind

if there’s deflation does that mean our money will go further? At least for those of us who will still have pay checks, or will we just have it taxed away from us?


56 posted on 11/22/2008 1:54:18 PM PST by fella (.He that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough." Pv.28:19')
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To: SeekAndFind
The only way this can be possible, that I can imagine anyway, is if large numbers of investors are being forced to liquidate positions, for some reason.

Maybe they can liquidate now and lose money - or liquidate later and lose a whole lot more. Or this is related to some G20 (gold) currency...

60 posted on 11/22/2008 3:07:07 PM PST by GOPJ (Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1 -Olson)
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