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To: danamco

The constitution is strong. One (more)lying president won’t weaken it, if this is true.

If this has legs, if it is true, it will come out. I am the eternal optimist. Contrarily, I have enough faith in the inherent selfishness of humans that I am sure someone will sell out their ideology for ratings and fame if this has factual basis.

And, because I don’t believe that big conspiracies can hold together forever, the truth will come out when someone breaks, gets drunk and spills it, or confesses on a deathbed. Might be too late, tis true.


825 posted on 11/15/2008 4:51:42 PM PST by pa mom
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To: pa mom
If this has legs, if it is true, it will come out. I am the eternal optimist. Contrarily, I have enough faith in the inherent selfishness of humans that I am sure someone will sell out their ideology for ratings and fame if this has factual basis.

That was my general view after seeing the evidence at Factcheck, particularly photo #5 ( http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg). There is really only one way that photo could be created which is someone photographed an actual artifact complete with seal (embossing). Another photo at Factcheck shows the notary stamp, unfortunately since that is a photo of the back of the document, it could be a different document.

But bottom line, someone used an embosser to create the artifact shown in photo 5. One plausible explanation is that someone in the Hawaii office created it fraudulently. Another is someone in the Hawaii office stole the embosser and sold it to a forger. Another is that someone created an embosser and used it on a forgery. In the latter cases the forger would also need the cross hatched paper (or have to create it separately from the forgery of the border and text).

The bottom line from this visible evidence is that a real implement created that photographed artifact and I would agree that sooner or later the person who used the implement will turn up or confess. Like you said, it might be a lot later.

856 posted on 11/15/2008 5:14:45 PM PST by palmer (Some third party malcontents don't like Palin because she is a true conservative)
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To: pa mom
The Constitution is strong.

The Constitution is meaningless with the high morals and ethics that officialdom and citizenry have to keep up and pass down. Without that, it is words, just words.

President Grover Cleveland refused Texas Drought Relief bill in 1887 saying:

I can find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution; and I do not believe that the power and duty of the General Government ought to be extended to the relief of individual suffering which is in no manner properly related to the public service or benefit. A prevalent tendency to disregard the limited mission of this power and duty should, I think, be steadily resisted, to the end that the lesson should be constantly enforced that, though the people support the Government, the Government should not support the people.
Entitlement and "bailout" payments which are totally without constitutional authority now make up the bulk of government spending -- add to that the "uneconomic" (old school meaning of that word) extravangances in the federal bureaucracy that support non-granted authority and we have really a federal government that runs beyond nearly all constitutional bounds.

Where is any federal authority granted to ban automatic weapons? There is none. To fund and/or oversee education? There is none. To regulate the water flow from bathroom shower heads? There is none.

Yet the Constitution is strong. Nope. The Constitution is on life-support at a hospice in Pinellas County Fl, with a husband living with another woman as wife, and with judge, husband and death-lawyers signing an order for no fluids and no feeding.

862 posted on 11/15/2008 5:19:09 PM PST by bvw
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To: pa mom
And, because I don’t believe that big conspiracies can hold together forever

I take it you believe the "Single Bullet" theory of Kennedy's assassination?

1,101 posted on 11/15/2008 7:45:48 PM PST by itsahoot (We will have world government. Whether by conquest or consent. Looks like that question is answered)
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