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To: cherry
If Palin was such a firebrand, then how do you explain the fall in GOP turnout this time around?
It's amazing that we're here on the verge of having conservative voices silences by the Fairness Doctrine, and we have many people on these forums saying that all critics of Palin should be silenced.
He Who I Will Never Name Again was trying to create a new Republican party in his own image: a RINO party. Palin was his Pierre Laval.
Now that the King of The RINOs has fallen, I suggest it's time to dispatch with all of his foolishness and start over; we cannot win his way. And that means abandoning Palin, who honestly never belonged on the national stage to begin with.
Because if you stick with Palin, and God forbid she in the nominee in 2012, we will lose.
41 posted on 11/06/2008 9:34:59 PM PST by ClaudiusI
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If Palin was such a firebrand, then how do you explain the fall in GOP turnout this time around?


How about because we ended up with a Senator who would probably have a (D), or least an (I), after his name now if “Jumping Jim Jeffords” had not beat him to it in 2001...

80 posted on 11/06/2008 10:06:18 PM PST by az_gila (AZ - need less democrats)
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To: ClaudiusI

You sound like McCains pathetic campaign advisors. Here’s a newsflash for you - I know dozens of people personally who only voted for MCCain because Palin was on the ticket.

McCain was WAAAAAAY down the list of candidates that the GOP base wanted.

THere was a collective “ohhhh......” when McCain won out in the primaries.

There was a reason that Palin out-drew Mccain by thousands at campaign events. SHE was the one that excited the base, not McCain.

Here’s another newsflash for you - The “Moderate Mafia” in the GOP can keep this up and guarantee the destruction of the party. THere are 25,000,000 to 30,000,000 conservatives who will NOT compromise their principles to please the moderates who want to keep reaching across the isle to make the liberals happy.


116 posted on 11/06/2008 11:29:17 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: ClaudiusI
And that means abandoning Palin, who honestly never belonged on the national stage to begin with.

I admit I was pushing her for a LONG time, before we even had a presidential nominee. One example post of mine from February (ignore the subjective case error).

And I admit I was likely wrong, rare as that is. :-)

But that doesn't mean she couldn't be ready for the national stage next time around.

Because if you stick with Palin, and God forbid she in the nominee in 2012, we will lose.

Yes, very likely. But one thing that seems to be common here...the idea that it's far better to have repeated epic failures than to face reality and adjust preconceived notions and strategies.

I'm not for abandoning Gov. Palin or her political stance...in fact, I am in favor of moving the GOP more in her direction, away from the abominable neoconservatism that has sunk us as a nation and as a party. But I also believe that we have a LOT of work to do in educating the public about small government, as well as pushing out the Nanny Staters and other Big Government types in the GOP.

125 posted on 11/06/2008 11:47:18 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: ClaudiusI

“If Palin was such a firebrand, then how do you explain the fall in GOP turnout this time around? “

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Simple:

“MY FRIENDS”...


128 posted on 11/06/2008 11:55:08 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (PALIN 2012: No more RINOS... Ever!!)
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To: ClaudiusI
If Palin was such a firebrand, then how do you explain the fall in GOP turnout this time around?

Amnesty.

McCain-Feingold.

Kicking Evangelicals in the teeth during 2000.

No coherent message.

Anger at the Bailout.

"Sending a message" to the RINOs.

McCain promised to win the moderates, and he ran like one.

He did NOT deliver.

Epic FAIL on his part.

Nice try, though.

160 posted on 11/07/2008 4:45:48 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: ClaudiusI
Because if you stick with Palin, and God forbid she in the nominee in 2012, we will lose.

Unfortunately, the media carriacture of Governor Palin is running unopposed against the real person.

The media (especially), the turncoats on the campaign staff, the RINOS, and the IV League country-club Republicans all view her as a threat to the status quo. The Media were unprepared for her nomination, and sans dossier, used a shotgun approach with what little dirt they could muster up (insubstantial as it was). Ad hominem attacks were used to play on an image the media created by careful editing, and by exploiting the ages-old tendency of the urbane to consider themselves superior to their rural counterparts.

In the absence of solid rebuttal, or even a forum in which to make that rebuttal, the carriacture the media have created outweighs the candidate (and unfortunately will continue to do so) in the minds of the national electorate, despite flying in the face of reality.

Palin's 'handlers' kept her reined in until the last weeks of the campaign, when I believe she moved against their advice and took a more aggressive stance.

You do not get to be Governor of a State which could split down the middle and make Texas the third largest State without having something to offer. You do not do so with an 80% approval rating from the electorate without being competent. And you do not defy the 'good ol' boy network and win without being a fighter.

The loss was not Palin's fault, but was either orchestrated by the RNC or the result of gross incompetence on their part.

I seriously believe the global socialists have been pulling the strings of both parties for some time (we can surmise as much with Soros and the Dems). If not, the net progress of their agenda is a tremendous windfall for them indeed.

185 posted on 11/07/2008 10:11:59 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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