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Kuhl Conducts Road User Charge Tax Study in North Carolina[Future:Tax on every Mile U Drive]
The News-Observer ^ | 07 Oct 2008 | Bruce Siceloff

Posted on 10/15/2008 9:55:22 AM PDT by BGHater

Two hundred Triangle drivers will be recruited this fall to road-test a satellite-technology system that might be used one day to collect highway taxes on every mile we drive -- replacing the gas tax on every gallon we buy.

Computers mounted in volunteers' cars will use global positioning system tracking to count the miles -- even across state lines.

Participants will receive make-believe state and federal tax bills for their miles. For their time and their opinions, they'll be paid $895 in real money.

The $16.5 million Road User Charge Study will enlist drivers in six states to determine whether the technology works, and whether Americans would accept a new mileage tax. Volunteers will be asked how they feel about technology that collects information about their driving.

The federal government and 15 states, including North Carolina, are paying for the study to find a fair, reliable revenue source that can keep pace with growing transportation needs.

"The gas tax is not going to be a viable way of funding our highways in the future," Jon Kuhl, a University of Iowa professor who is directing the study, said in an interview. "The national Highway Trust Fund is already going broke, and the situation is going to get worse."

Gas tax collections are slowing as cars get more miles on each gallon, and as $4 pump prices force Americans to reduce their driving. A few years from now, many Americans might be driving plug-in electric and fuel-cell cars that don't use gas at all.

Michael Walden, an economist at N.C. State University, said the study will help Americans answer hard questions about how to pay for the nation's transportation infrastructure. He agreed with Kuhl that the nation needs to find a replacement for the gas tax.

"Perhaps a better way in terms of assessing someone's use of the roads is not how many gallons they use but how many miles they actually drive," said Walden, who is not involved in the study. "A mileage tax could be adjusted over time, as the cost of road construction goes up."

With the $895 bounty and an advertising campaign that will start next week, Kuhl and his team hope to enlist a diverse mix of car owners from the six-county Triangle area. Details are available by phone at 866-363-1975 (toll-free) or online at www.roaduserstudy.org.

After the participants are chosen and trained, their cars will be outfitted with GPS computers -- the satellite technology that drives popular dashboard navigation gadgets. Over eight months, starting in December, the car's computer will record the number of miles driven in each state, then upload the information to a central billing system.

Make-believe taxes

Cars will have make-believe per-mile tax rates based on their EPA-estimated fuel economy.

The tax rates are intended to generate about the same taxes on miles that the car pays in taxes on gallons of gas. The mileage tax would be higher for a heavy truck that burns a lot of gas, and lower for a fuel-thrifty hybrid.

A typical car rated at 24 miles per gallon will have a make-believe federal tax rate of 0.8 cents per mile, plus 1.3 cents per mile for the North Carolina tax, Kuhl said. For 24 miles, that's 31.2 cents state and 19.2 cents federal tax -- about a penny more than the current taxes on a gallon.

If the technology works, it could give federal, state and even local governments the option to set different tax rates for different vehicles.

Volunteers also will test of public attitudes about a new type of tax -- and about technology that gathers information about where people drive.

"Privacy is a hot-button issue," Kuhl said. "People rightly have a knee-jerk reaction about being tracked."

The system will only count the number of miles driven each month in a given state, he said.

"There's no way these units could be used to track people or determine they were in a particular place at a particular time," Kuhl said.

Some drivers will worry about government snooping, Walden said, and that could make it even harder to sell the idea of a new tax.

"I don't know if the mileage tax is going to be any better accepted than the gas tax, but I know we have a problem finding money for our roads," Walden said.


TOPICS: Government; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: car; northcarolina; road; tax
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1 posted on 10/15/2008 9:55:22 AM PDT by BGHater
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To: BGHater
"I don't know if the mileage tax is going to be any better accepted than the gas tax, but I know we have a problem finding money for our roads, pork projects," Walden said.
2 posted on 10/15/2008 9:59:44 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: BGHater
Correction: Two hundred Triangle drivers will be recruited this fall to road-test a satellite-technology system that might be used one day to collect highway taxes on every mile we drive -- replacing in addition to the gas tax on every gallon we buy.


3 posted on 10/15/2008 10:00:04 AM PDT by farmer18th (I had a brain transplant after college. (The original was ruined.))
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To: BGHater

What happens if the miles they say you traveled don’t jive with the miles on your odometer?


4 posted on 10/15/2008 10:03:12 AM PDT by Bloodclot
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To: farmer18th
I had the exact same thought.

Two hundred Triangle drivers will be recruited this fall to road-test a satellite-technology system that might be used one day to collect highway taxes on every mile we drive -- replacing augmenting the gas tax on every gallon we buy.

5 posted on 10/15/2008 10:06:47 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (This gun for hire)
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To: Bloodclot

$16 million for this study...

Why don’t they use that money to fund contruction projects, or re-build the bridges the Dems b*tch about all the time. Give money to the school system, or the EMS infrastructure. What a great use of taxpayers money. There are plenty of of other uses for this money that are more friggin relevant than this!!

AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!


6 posted on 10/15/2008 10:08:07 AM PDT by cups
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To: MitchellC

NC ping please?


7 posted on 10/15/2008 10:09:53 AM PDT by Constitution Day (don't panic)
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To: BGHater
"Privacy is a hot-button issue," Kuhl said. "People rightly have a knee-jerk reaction about being tracked."

The phrase "knee-jerk" is somehow never used in the media to describe, say, opposition to oil drilling or born-alive baby protection. Only with those evil right-wingers.

I would like to say that if they ever come to put a tracker on my car, there will be violence. But such a program will almost certainly be implemented as part of the vehicle inspection process, and they will force your mechanic to do it.

8 posted on 10/15/2008 10:10:07 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("[Obama acts] as if the very idea of permanent truth is passe, a form of bad taste"-Shelby Steele)
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To: BGHater

Our state (NC) is very corrupt and the Dems here are pushing in OT towards socialism.


9 posted on 10/15/2008 10:10:18 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: BGHater
Another fun quote:

"Perhaps a better way in terms of assessing someone's use of the roads is not how many gallons they use but how many miles they actually drive," said Walden, who is not involved in the study. "A mileage tax could be adjusted over time, as the cost of road construction goes up."

10 posted on 10/15/2008 10:11:51 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (This gun for hire)
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To: RSmithOpt

Is Sen. Dole gonna win, is it close?


11 posted on 10/15/2008 10:12:09 AM PDT by BGHater (The GOP, the new DNC.)
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To: BGHater

It is close...Dole may be 2-4% behind now. Nagan is a tax and spend Democrap for sure.....


12 posted on 10/15/2008 10:13:47 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: BGHater
The $16.5 million Road User Charge Study will enlist drivers in six states to determine whether the technology works, and whether Americans would accept a new mileage tax. Volunteers will be asked how they feel about technology that collects information about their driving.

My answer would be "hell no" to both.

13 posted on 10/15/2008 10:14:18 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (Stand up for liberty and the Constitution. Defeat Obama.)
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To: BGHater
What happens to my mileage tax when a squirrel gets under my car and chews my GPS wire and antenna?


14 posted on 10/15/2008 10:17:40 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (The $700B bail out is giving parachutes to bankers while we must keep our seat belts on and shut up.)
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To: KarlInOhio

I guess they will have to put chips in our foreheads or hands.

For the ‘children’.


15 posted on 10/15/2008 10:20:09 AM PDT by BGHater (The GOP, the new DNC.)
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To: Bloodclot

I’m thinking I’d save on all the gas I buy for the ATV, lawn mowers, farm tractor, weed eater, chain saw, etc.


16 posted on 10/15/2008 10:25:15 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: BGHater

See page 2 of your bill for a list of fines and charges for traveling over the posted speed limit.


17 posted on 10/15/2008 10:25:32 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: denydenydeny
But such a program will almost certainly be implemented as part of the vehicle inspection process, and they will force your mechanic to do it.

I *do not* like any taxes. However, logically....this is the one that makes the most sense and is the easiest to implement. Odometer was at "x" on the '08 inspection, at 'y' on the '09 inspection, so you're taxed on the difference.

If someone wants to put a GPS on my car, they'll have a hard time leaving it there. I have a hammer.

18 posted on 10/15/2008 10:37:19 AM PDT by wbill
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To: dirtboy
The state of North Carolina Democrat controlled government has been raiding the highway fund for many years. This money will go into the same fund, so, no money for roads. At least we can all get one of those cool gps thingies :)
19 posted on 10/15/2008 10:48:08 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: farmer18th

That’s my thought - First “replace” the tax with the satellite info, THEN re-institute the gas tax as a “fair” way to tax the gas guzzlers.


20 posted on 10/15/2008 10:49:29 AM PDT by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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