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To: cherry
if he doesn't have his BC he can always say that his mother had it and lost it.... its like....prove that he ISN'T a real, naturalized US citizen....

Even if his mother lost her copy of it, the original vault copy should be on file with the government in government records in Hawaii. Eventually all that kind of stuff will be digitized, but as of right now I'd bet you dollars to donuts that they still have the physical copies of all BCs for all living people born in Hawaii. If so, the Hawaii records dept should be able to produce it. If not, then it wasn't "lost" ... it either never was or it was removed from records because its standing was revoked when he and his mother became citizens of Indonesia.

to add, doesn't he have to produce a copy of his request to be a US citizen?

No. According to the stipulations of the original lawsuit all he has to produce is "1) a certified copy of Obama’s “vault” (original long version) Birth Certificate; and (2) a certified copy of Obama’s Certificate of Citizenship; and (3) a certified copy of the Oath of Allegiance taken by Obama taken at the age of majority." 1. Is required to prove he was a natural born US Citizen. (a specific requirement of the US Constitution) 2. Is required to prove that he is still a citizen ... required because he once had dual citizenship (by his OWN admission) with Kenya and, by the records uncovered by others, also in Indonesia ... where it could NOT have been "dual" but had to have been superseding (i.e., Indonesia didn't allow dual citizenship with the USA in the 1960s, and visa versa). 3. Is required to demonstrate how he would have re-instated his citizenship on or after his 18th birthday, revoking his Indonesian Citizenship. This is NECESSARY because if he didn't, then he's still a citizen of Indonesia and NOT of the USA. It's not a problem for him to have done this, however ... since it was his mother who became an Indonesian citizen, and that status was conferred on him, when he reached his 18th birthday the option would remain with him ... he could remain an Indonesian citizen OR he could pick up his US Citizenship through an Oath of Allegiance. Today the laws and policies of the US Government -- and the Government of Indonesia -- have changed and dual citizenship is allowed. That wasn't the case in the 1970s. If he never did sign an Oath of Allegiance he does still have the option of doing this -- thanks to the changes in US law and State Department Policy -- and re-acquiring his US Citizenship. Perhaps he's waiting for the Election to be done and then plans on doing this prior to his inauguration and THAT is why he's fighting this? Who knows?

In the very least it would be politically damaging for him to have to admit that he has (1) dual citizenship (which would call into question for MILLIONS of people the veracity of his undivided loyalty to the US -- FAR WORSE than an unwillingness to salute the flag!), (2) lacked US citizenship for a portion of his adult life due to negligence on his part in not signing an Oath of Allegiance. If there is a cloud on his US citizenship today due to any of the above, it may have more than just political ramification ... it may disqualify him for the office until he can get the cloud removed. And, that would mean that it behooves him to clear the cloud NOW, rather than wait ... but it may be political inexpedient for him to do so (it may result in him losing the election). So, he'd rather wait and run the risk of being declared ineligible AFTER the election (meaning that we would be getting President Biden and a Vice President Clinton (probably) ... which, furthermore, would mean that, after two years and 1 day in office, Biden would have a mysterious "accident" and Hillary would become President ... the delay in this succession being timed so-as to allowe Hillary to run for two of her own terms and not run afoul of the 10-year limit).
23 posted on 10/10/2008 6:34:14 AM PDT by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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To: TexasGreg; All

A 527, not McCain, needs to run an ad linking his refusal to salute the flag to this issue to Ayer’s trampling the flag.

“.....he’d rather wait and run the risk of being declared ineligible AFTER the election (meaning... President Biden and a Vice President Clinton..., Biden would have a mysterious “accident” and Hillary would become President .....”

No need for that, She would drive him absolutely mentally insane and the poor man would rip out the hair plugs and gladly retire!


31 posted on 10/10/2008 3:18:21 PM PDT by Gemsbok (Pledge to fight voter FRAUD (Acorn)(Obama) be a poll worker, watcher, observer:Get in their face!!!)
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