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To: Bokababe
It's really hard to know where to begin, but I'll just pull out one point because it exemplifies the upside-down nature of the thinking behind this sort of thing:

But offering NATO membership to parts of the former Soviet Union, like Georgia, threatens Russia's right to control its own borders and no nation can tolerate that.

Nato membership for Georgia, of course, has nothing to do with Russia's right to control its own borders either way. (News flash: Georgia is not situated inside the borders of Russia.) The problem is not Russia's desire to control Russia's borders, the problem is her desire to control other nations' borders.

This is symptomatic of a broader problem that starts and ends with a wrongheaded Russian attitude about her "near abroad" that is utterly devoid of merit: if Russia doesn't want Georgia or Ukraine to enter Nato, they shouldn't. If Russia doesn't want Poland to have missile defense, she shouldn't. If they do anyway, well, why, that's threatening Russia!

Idiocy. Sheer paranoid arrogant idiocy.

The author however has swallowed the kool-aid necessary to accept this Russian imperial-overlordship attitude towards her neighbors and embraces the logic inherent in it, which is presumably how her brain can produce (without exploding) absurd conclusions such as offering Nato membership to Georgia = Russia can't control her own borders. In response to such a claim there is little one can do but point to its self-evident imbecility; further discussion is not warranted.

What warrants further discussion is why a certain faction of the West (Buchananites for example) is prone to romanticize and fall for Russian maximalist claims to neo-imperialism in the first place. What is attractive about this point of view, this pointing at a faraway authoritarian oil regime and saying 'yes it is only right and proper that she controls all her neighbors if she wishes, and we shouldn't stop her because she might get mad at us, when we'd like to be her friend'. Where does this fantastical Russophilia come from?

24 posted on 08/24/2008 4:42:53 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank fan
"Where does this fantastical Russophilia come from?"

It's not "Russophilia".

It's recognizing that Russia doesn't want -- and won't tolerate -- potential threats on their doorstep anymore than we would -- or did in 1962.

It's also coming up with potential alternative solutions for the US to deal with Russia, other than blowing it -- and potentially us -- off the planet.

How does all this posturing with Russia really benefit America? And are there better and more intelligent strategies than continual political and possible military confrontation? Are they willing to deal? Are we? Or are we just going beat our chests like apes at each other until somebody blinks?

25 posted on 08/24/2008 4:55:13 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Dr. Frank fan
Exactly. For some preventing Russia from making vassals out of independent states, from crashing our friends and allies, from redrawing international borders by military force, from achieving complete monopoly over energy traffic to the Western Europe and over the goods traffic to Central Asia - apparently means that we are threatening Russia!? Amazingly not the other way around!
26 posted on 08/24/2008 5:10:32 PM PDT by alecqss
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