Russia says has control of South Ossetia capital

Reuters (excerpt) ^ | August 9, 2008

[HAL9000]

Excerpt -

GORI, Georgia, Aug 9 (Reuters) - Russia said it had driven Georgian forces from the capital of South Ossetia on Saturday as part of an operation to force Georgia to accept peace in its breakaway region.

"Tactical groups have fully liberated Tskhinvali from the Georgian military and have started pushing Georgian units beyond the zone of peacekeepers responsibility," Tass quoted Ground Forces commander Vladimir Boldyrev as saying.

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[justa-hairyape]

Remember Kosovo?

Just because Clinton and his EU brethren were wrong about Kosovo, does not make the Russians right about Ossetia. The Russians are clearly opportunists.

[Freemeorkillme]

1st of all, to understand this war, you need to have a firm understanding of how Soviet(and, yes, Georgian...former Soviets, right?) propaganda works. You can’t rely on given numbers of kill, downs, civi strikes, etc. That’s naive on an scale that would have Obama’s eyebrows lift. In addition, it is regrettable that innocents have died, I don’t consider it important, at least as a motivating factor for US/EU/Western support, though it may suit our(good guy) propaganda. It is not such an important point.

2nd-I read and reread the article you pointed to and no mention of marines being attacked in Georgia, let alone news of them in Georgia. Yes, I know they have had a presence for training as the Marine Forces Reserve pointed out http://www.mfr.usmc.mil/mfrnews/2008/2008.07/Georgia.asp

3rd-This isn’t Darfur. Get a hold of your hysteria so your able to think straight. This is very serious business.

SkyPilot-why do you think Georgia is important? Or don’t you?

Please understand that I’m not trying to tear you down here.

[Freemeorkillme]

Is this the same good missile defense system they sold Iran and Israel made a mockery of? If so, let’s hope so.

[FreeReign]

posting that pic demonstrates how superficial your postings are.

The picture is great.

Your responses to my posts and other posts on this thread are dopey.

[FreeReign]

Cool. Let's restore all regions of the world back to their political status over one hundred years ago. And why stop there? Let's go to the 1800's and totally break apart Georgia and many other countries of the world.

If you want less wars then that is exactly what should be done.

No. It's what you do if you want more wars, more ethnic cleansing and more chaos.

[FreeReign]

Most people including Georgians living in South Ossetia do feel liberated by Russia.

BTW eleni, your absurd remark about ethnic Georgians living in So. Ossetia "feel liberated by Russia", remains for all to see.

[FreeReign]

eleni:Most South Ossetians hold Russian passports...got it

FreeReign: Most Mexicans living in this country hold Mexican citizenship. Get it? I doubt it.

LOL, you don't get it.

[neutronsgalore]

“According to the map of the region, Georgia is but one country away from Iraq and it borders the NATO member Turkey.”

That still doesn’t change what I said. We have enough problems dealing with Iraq and Afghanistan. The last thing we need is to get involved between Georgia and Russia. Especially since the USA set the precedent in Kosovo/Serbia. Yes I know, it’s all Clinton’s fault for getting us involved in that mess, but Bush has backed it up. Let the rest of Europe assist Georgia.

[Arkinsaw]

So war is now peace and conducting war is now peace keeping. Talking to one of these neo-fascist Russians is like talking to an emissary representing the Mongol Hordes.

They are violating Georgian sovereignty. But at the same time they are claiming to be doing exactly the same thing Clinton did with Serbia/Kosovo. There is no surprise that the Russians are using the same terminology Clinton used for Serbia/Kosovo. When they use this terminology they are sticking a Serbian finger in our eye. Clinton payback.

[LukeL]

The way Poland was liberated twice in the 40s from the perils of democracy and Catholicism

[PetroniusMaximus]

Alas, Transformers is no more.

;-)

[M. Espinola]

The land route the Kremlin are using to push further southward was attempted by Hitler, and his armies failed.

Putin's Russia on the other hand has an 'ally' south of Georgia, Armenia & energy-rich Azerbaijan, which Moscow is assisting to gain the Shi'ite Bomb ---Iran!

The neo-Soviet Empire has just fired the first shot in their war against the West --- while the West talks and observes. Shades of 1938...............

[M. Espinola]

"Russia says Ukraine helping Georgia"

Somebody has too, at least the Ukraine understand Putin's obvious threat to the entire free world, which is more than can be stated for Western leadership, who should be rushing military aid to stop the Russian horde cold!

[SkyPilot]

1st of all, to understand this war, you need to have a firm understanding of how Soviet(and, yes, Georgian...former Soviets, right?) propaganda works. You can’t rely on given numbers of kill, downs, civi strikes, etc

Did the Russians fire on our US Marines (at their base)?

YES

You can’t rely on given numbers of kill, downs, civi strikes, etc. That’s naive on an scale that would have Obama’s eyebrows lift. In addition, it is regrettable that innocents have died, I don’t consider it important, at least as a motivating factor for US/EU/Western support, though it may suit our(good guy) propaganda. It is not such ,ian important point.

Thank you Mr. / Mrs. Soviet Apologist.

2nd-I read and reread the article you pointed to and no mention of marines being attacked in Georgia, let alone news of them in Georgia.

You are kidding. Right? It was only the fricking story on Drudge where MILLIONS read it. Plus, our own Defense Dept has confimed it.

3rd-This isn’t Darfur

Thanks for the supposed Geography lesson. I understand and Hablo the difference between Africa and Georgia in the former Soviet Union. Did you know that 1 + 1 is 2? Any other bits of wisdom you wish to share?

SkyPilot-why do you think Georgia is important? Or don’t you?

What are you talking about?! Am I conversing with a sane individual? You have done everything you can to minimize this crisis, and then you ask me this asinine question?

[SkyPilot]

BUT I'm not seeing any reports that the Marines have been bombed.

Marines and Georgians move to the field [Marines near the base bombed by Russia today]

[justa-hairyape]

We have enough problems dealing with Iraq and Afghanistan.

Well, it appears that the border of Georgia is 300 miles from the border of Iraq. That is approximately the distance from California's border to the border of New Mexico. Not saying it is our fight, but it is very close. You can bet your bottom dollar the Pentagon is watching this with keen interest.

[justa-hairyape]

Clinton payback.

Freerepublic rallied support to impeach that idiot. Forcefully removing him from office would have been payback. Clinton probably could not even find Georgia on a map right now.

[SkyPilot]

Me: Yes, please provide information to this statement or immediately disavow the statement as false conjecture.

Well, you want to dispute that Georgia is ally of the US?

This is like shooting fish in a barrel.

While America considers Georgia its strongest ally in the bloc of former Soviet countries, Washington needs Russia too much on big issues like Iran to risk it all to defend Georgia.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/mar2002/geor-m01.shtml

[Centurion2000]

Congratulations you can do HTML and reference an FR post. You've just made a circular argument. Now stop being a fool, and show proof that they were BOMBED. Or you can stop your hyperbole.

Just because they were NEAR the territory of the base does not mean they were bombed. Russia has precision guided munitions as well.

[Halgr]

You may be able to see a tree or two, but you sure can’t see the forest.