Posted on 07/15/2008 4:36:41 PM PDT by pissant
Excellent!!!! I left an open mind from the beginning on this one however, the COLB never quite looked ‘right’ to me graphically. Sometimes, it’s what you don’t see that you end up seeing.... ;)
Proving that the certificate could have been forged a certain way does not prove, nor even particularly imply, that it was, unless things fall into place exceptionally naturally. If reproducing the Killian memos required lots of tricky tinkering, such reproduction would have proved nothing. What proved the Killian memos a forgery was the fact that its spacing and layout design precisely matched the font and behavior of software that was designed years after the memos were supposedly produced, but was created completely independent of them.
The $50,000 question in this case, IMHO, would be whether any graphics program would exhibit the white haloing behavior when dealing with a scan of black text on a green decorated background. If the 8x8 JPEG block boundaries were strongly visible in the haloing, I might believe it to be JPEG artifacting. The curved contour of the haloing seems too smooth for that, though. There are many types of artifacts I would expect to see around high-contrast text on a low-contrast background. The haloing matches no type of artifacting with which I'm familiar.
You are welcome. :-)
"Polarik clearly makes the case here. Some of these guys are not following his reasoning very closely."Color laser prints are not cheap. Using preprinted forms would be cheaper and more secure. If jobs are done in batches, switching forms is really not an issue.
Further, it would be strange to have the green design extend past the border if it wasn't going to go to the paper edge; most printers would have a hard time doing the latter.
actually this doesn’t really prove anything
>There is only ONE way for the lack of any green-shaded >pixels to occur on the image.
There are so many variables you haven’t mentioned including how the original was scanned, under what settings the scanner was at, the condition of the CCD, was it sent through an ADF, was it skewed, was it deskewed with software, was it scanned in a non lossy format and then converted later to JPG, if so how many times, what software did that conversion, and not to mention the original document and it’s condition.
You also talk about converting JPG to 8 bit using an editor and this is the reason for the green missing. The green could be missing for many reasons including the scanner and it’s settings, the settings when the document was originally converted into JPG and how many times that was done. Just converting to 8 bit doesn’t mean you lose green anyways. That process is called color quantization where you are going from say 24 bit to some more limited palette, 16 or 8 bit or whatever. If green is a predominant color in the image it would not be lost when going to 8 bit if the color quantization software is any good, that’s the whole idea behind color quantization. You generate a histogram of colors and use the most prevelant along with a small subset of general paleete colors. Sure doing this step is not as good as staying in 24 bit but certainly can’t be construed as the ONLY reason green was lost in this JPG scanned image.
JPG is a lossy algorithm in the first place and once the image was scanned it was converted from spatial domian into the frequency domain and the compression process was done. Not all JPG compression/decompression software is exactly the same and can produce different results. This was not mentioned. Do they have a non lossy format for the scanned document ? That would still be subject to limitations of the scanning device but certainly WAY better than lossy JPG that may have been scaled and compressed several times before hitting the website.
I worked in the document scanning industry as a software developer and have written JPG compression/decompression software and image viewing software and also worked on hardware for scanners. There are simply WAY too many variables you have not mentioned to draw any conclusions from these images. For all anybody knows these JPG images could have gone through several compression steps, and even some scaling. You would need to look at the original document because what we have here is not compelling evidence.
Also if they were going to fake it why not just fake the entire certificate rather than try photoshop trickery ? That’s a very simple looking certificate that could be easily duplicated.
Isn’t a birth certificate a public record? Couldn’t anyone request a copy, or ask to see it at the courthouse?
I do believe only the first party could request a copy of BC, in this case Obama himself, either parent and/or legal guardian.
But I’m just wondering and surely someone must have raise this question somewhere which is, did someone subpoena a ceritified copy of the BC through a court of competence and jurisdiction?
Exactly.
Thanks for your post, and welcome to FR!
"I don't know what that means and doesn't answer my question."
DeCosta is the deceased mother (born in Hawaii), of I believe someone who is a Freeper. They posted the deceased mom's birth certificate online. Actually on a Geneology site, so a REAL birth certificate can be compared. So when you see the DeCosta Birth Certificate you know it is a real one.
That’s right Obama is not responsible. /sarc
That green basket weave paper is a stock paper without any boarders. I recently sent for a Certified copy of my BC from Idaho. It came on that same green basket weave as the FAKE Obama COLB and the same green basket weave as the REAL DeCosta COLB. The difference between mine and their's though, is mine had the original ledger card in my mothers writing with all the pertinate info, and the doctors signature. I was born at home. This was then COPIED onto that green basket weave paper. Stamped with an embossed seal and dated and signed. Saying it was a Certified copy of the original.
It has been brought to my attention that Kenneth Lamb states Obama's ethnicity as 50% Caucasian, 43.5% Arab, 6.5% African Negro [Lamb notes "Negro" is a scientific term in this genealogical context, not a racist one].I posit a continuation of the Obama lie of being the first African-American [fill in the blank] as yet one more motive behind the forged certificate of birth.
Only one of Obama's sixteen great-great-grandparents (in the maternal line of his father) is African Negro, hence Obama falls below the U.S. requirement of one-eighth of the descriptor minority (12.5%).
When I came on this thread I found a series of Bandwidth Exceeded boxes selling upgrades to Photobucket Pro.
I have a few extra bytes; here's what I found:
Buckhead broke it here...
Is the basket-weave pattern visible behind the words "CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH" on the DeCosta COLB? It's hard to tell in any of the scans I can see. It is conspicuously absent from the Obama cert, in a fashion which would not make any sense if the top heading were not preprinted on the form.
Sure ace, create one like it via scanning. Welcome to FR, troll.
I believe the answer is "no branch."
When a candidate files to be on the ticket in a state, there should be a section where the candidate affirms his eligibility. The state takes his word for it.
This is how govt "works." It doesn't investigate much of anything unless the powers that be are convinced by outsiders (that would be us) to get off their butts.
P.S. The Federal Election Commission doesnt do anything but stick its nose into the money flow.
This is how govt “works.” It doesn’t investigate much of anything unless the powers that be are convinced by outsiders (that would be us) to get off their butts.
***Basically, we are the 4th branch of guvmint. We’re holding it accountable to the truth, right here, right now, as part of the freedom of the press — for as long as that lasts.
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