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Civilization's last chance - The planet is nearing a tipping point on climate change........
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Posted on 05/11/2008 10:48:45 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Civilization's last chance The planet is nearing a tipping point on climate change, and it gets much worse, fast. By Bill McKibben May 11, 2008 Even for Americans -- who are constitutionally convinced that there will always be a second act, and a third, and a do-over after that, and, if necessary, a little public repentance and forgiveness and a Brand New Start -- even for us, the world looks a little terminal right now.

It's not just the economy: We've gone through swoons before. It's that gas at $4 a gallon means we're running out, at least of the cheap stuff that built our sprawling society. It's that when we try to turn corn into gas, it helps send the price of a loaf of bread shooting upward and helps ignite food riots on three continents. It's that everything is so tied together. It's that, all of a sudden, those grim Club of Rome types who, way back in the 1970s, went on and on about the "limits to growth" suddenly seem ... how best to put it, right.

All of a sudden it isn't morning in America, it's dusk on planet Earth.

There's a number -- a new number -- that makes this point most powerfully. It may now be the most important number on Earth: 350. As in parts per million of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

A few weeks ago, NASA's chief climatologist, James Hansen, submitted a paper to Science magazine with several coauthors. The abstract attached to it argued -- and I have never read stronger language in a scientific paper -- that "if humanity wishes to preserve a planet similar to that on which civilization developed and to which life on Earth is adapted....

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To: Sub-Driver
Civilization is what grows up in the margins of leisure and security provided by a workable relationship with the natural world.

That's a very namby-pamby description. Civilization is what grows up from man's furious exploitation of the ruthlessly hostile natural world.

41 posted on 05/11/2008 11:34:34 AM PDT by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: Sub-Driver; All

"The above chart shows the range of global temperature through the last 500 million years. There is no statistical correlation between the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere through the last 500 million years and the temperature record in this interval. In fact, one of the highest levels of carbon dioxide concentration occurred during a major ice age that occurred about 450 million years ago. Carbon dioxide concentrations at that time were about 15 times higher than at present.":
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=010405M

The graph above represents temperature and CO2 levels over the past 400,000 years. It is the same exact data Al Gore and the rest of the man-made global warmers refer to. The blue line is temps, the red CO2 levels. The deep valleys represent 4 separate glaciation periods. Now look very carefully at this relationship between temps and CO2 levels and keep in mind that Gore claims this data is the 'proof' that CO2 has warmed the earth in the past. But does the graph indeed show this? Nope. In fact, rising CO2 levels all throughout this 400,000 year period actually lagged behind temperature increases --and by an average of 800 years! So it couldn't have been CO2 that got Earth out of these 4 past ice ages. Yet Gore dishonestly and continually says otherwise. I think he uses the graph in his sci-fi flick as well.(?)

FWD:

So, greenhouse [effect] is all about carbon dioxide, right?

Wrong. The most important players on the greenhouse stage are water vapor and clouds. Carbon dioxide has been increased to about 0.038% of the atmosphere (possibly from about 0.028% pre-Industrial Revolution) while water in its various forms ranges from 0% to 4% of the atmosphere and its properties vary by what form it is in and even at what altitude it is found in the atmosphere.

In simple terms the bulk of Earth's greenhouse effect is due to water vapor by virtue of its abundance. Water accounts for about 90% of the Earth's greenhouse effect -- perhaps 70% is due to water vapor and about 20% due to clouds (mostly water droplets), some estimates put water as high as 95% of Earth's total tropospheric greenhouse effect (e.g., Freidenreich and Ramaswamy, 'Solar Radiation Absorption by Carbon Dioxide, Overlap with Water, and a Parameterization for General Circulation Models,' Journal of Geophysical Research 98 (1993):7255-7264).

The remaining portion comes from carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, methane, ozone and miscellaneous other 'minor greenhouse gases.' As an example of the relative importance of water it should be noted that changes in the relative humidity on the order of 1.3-4% are equivalent to the effect of doubling CO2.

http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/ ______________________________________________

FWD:

Water Vapor Rules the Greenhouse System

Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many 'facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.

Water vapor is 99.999% of natural origin. Other atmospheric greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), and miscellaneous other gases (CFC's, etc.), are also mostly of natural origin (except for the latter, which is mostly anthropogenic).

Human activites contribute slightly to greenhouse gas concentrations through farming, manufacturing, power generation, and transportation. However, these emissions are so dwarfed in comparison to emissions from natural sources we can do nothing about, that even the most costly efforts to limit human emissions would have a very small-- perhaps undetectable-- effect on global climate.

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html ______________________________________________

42 posted on 05/11/2008 11:36:10 AM PDT by Eye On The Left
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To: Sub-Driver
Well I'm convinced...

These people are INSANE!!!

"...they exchanges the truth of GOD for a lie, and worshiped the creature rather than the Creator...

43 posted on 05/11/2008 11:36:27 AM PDT by mickeylee ("EXPELLED" the movie...Go see it!)
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To: muir_redwoods
It is indefensible hubris that suggests to these morons that we have even .01% influence on a weather system as big as earths.

Agree completely. However, I would put the percentage at something like .0000000000001. This old planet is very resilient.

44 posted on 05/11/2008 11:37:33 AM PDT by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: mickeylee

“...they exchanged


45 posted on 05/11/2008 11:37:36 AM PDT by mickeylee ("EXPELLED" the movie...Go see it!)
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To: Sub-Driver; All
If you look at the chart below, you will see that sunspot activity (during solar maxes--the individual peaks) has been relatively high since about 1900 and almost non-existent for the period between about 1625 and 1725. This period is known as the Maunder (sunspot) Minimum or "Little Ice Age".

From BBC News [yr: 2004]:
"A new [2004] analysis shows that the Sun is more active now than it has been at anytime in the previous 1,000 years. Scientists based at the Institute for Astronomy in Zurich used ice cores from Greenland to construct a picture of our star's activity in the past. They say that over the last century the number of sunspots rose at the same time that the Earth's climate became steadily warmer." ... "In particular, it has been noted that between about 1645 and 1715, few sunspots were seen on the Sun's surface. This period is called the Maunder Minimum after the English astronomer who studied it. Ice core disc, Epica Ice cores record climate trends back beyond human measurements It coincided with a spell of prolonged cold weather often referred to as the "Little Ice Age". Solar scientists strongly suspect there is a link between the two events - but the exact mechanism remains elusive."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3869753.stm

It's really hard to imagine how this little ball of fire could have any impact on our climate at all.

But the main arguments being made for a solar-climate connection is not so much to do with the heat of the Sun but rather with its magnetic cycles. When the Sun is more magnetically active (typically around the peak of the 11 year sunspot cycle --we are a few yrs away at the moment), the Sun's magnetic field is better able to deflect away incoming galactic cosmic rays (highly energetic charged particles coming from outside the solar system). The GCRs are thought to help in the formation of low-level cumulus clouds -the type of clouds that BLOCK sunlight and help cool the Earth. So when the Sun's MF is acting up (not like now), less GCRs reach the Earth's atmosphere, less low level sunlight-blocking clouds form, and more sunlight gets through to warm the Earth's surface...naturally. Clouds are basically made up of tiny water droplets. When dust particles in the atmosphere become ionized by incoming GCRs they become very 'attractive' to water molecules, in a purely chemical sense of the word.-Eye On The Left

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2008: "The Center for Sun-Climate Research at the DNSC investigates the connection between variations in the intensity of cosmic rays and climatic changes on Earth. This field of research has been given the name 'cosmoclimatology'"..."Cosmic ray intensities – and therefore cloudiness – keep changing because the Sun's magnetic field varies in its ability to repel cosmic rays coming from the Galaxy, before they can reach the Earth." :
http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate

46 posted on 05/11/2008 11:39:00 AM PDT by Eye On The Left
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To: Sub-Driver
Bill McKibben
47 posted on 05/11/2008 11:39:54 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: EEDUDE
Where do we find such men? Such intellects, such insights, such scientific prowess?

At The Atlantic magazine, where the June cover story is...

THE SKY IS FALLING

IT'S INEVITABLE: ASTEROIDS WITH THE POWER TO ANNIHILATE US WILL COME THIS WAY.
CAN NASA DIVERT THEM BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE?

By Gregg Easterbrook 

(With, of course, a cartoon-like image of a flaming asteroid zzzoooming towards earth.)

Climate change will be like so yesterday. 

 

48 posted on 05/11/2008 11:43:12 AM PDT by browardchad ("We are all mavericks now." -- Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Popman
Coal-fired power plants operating the way they're supposed to are, in global warming terms, as dangerous as nuclear plants melting down.

China is excused from the carbon limitations of the Kyoto treaty. Yet China plans to build 500 new coal-fired power plants in the next 10 years as well as 30 nuclear power plants -- all with that "dependable" Chinese technology. How come this dildo isn't screaming and yelling about that?

49 posted on 05/11/2008 11:44:12 AM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Sub-Driver

From his website at: http://www.billmckibben.com/bio.html

Bill McKibben is an American environmentalist and writer who frequently writes about global warming, alternative energy, and the risks associated with human genetic engineering. Beginning in the summer of 2006, he led the organization of the largest demonstrations against global warming in American history. McKibben is active in the Methodist Church, and his writing sometimes has a spiritual bent.

Bill grew up in suburban Lexington, Massachusetts. He was president of the Harvard Crimson newspaper in college. Immediately after college he joined the New Yorker magazine as a staff writer, and wrote much of the “Talk of the Town” column from 1982 to early 1987. He quit the magazine when its longtime editor William Shawn was forced out of his job, and soon moved to the Adirondack Mountains of upstate New York.

His first book, The End of Nature, was published in 1989 by Random House after being serialized in the New Yorker. It is regarded as the first book for a general audience about climate change, and has been printed in more than 20 languages. Several editions have come out in the United States, including an updated version published in 2006.

His next book, The Age of Missing Information, was published in 1992. It is an account of an experiment: McKibben collected everything that came across the 100 channels of cable tv on the Fairfax, Virginia system (at the time among the nation’s largest) for a single day. He spent a year watching the 2,400 hours of videotape, and then compared it to a day spent on the mountaintop near his home. This book has been widely used in colleges and high schools, and was reissued in a new edition in 2006.

Subsequent books include Hope, Human and Wild, about Curitiba, Brazil and Kerala, India, which he cites as examples of people living more lightly on the earth; The Comforting Whirlwind: God, Job, and the Scale of Creation, which is about the Book of Job and the environment; Maybe One, about human population; Long Distance: A Year of Living Strenuously, about a year spent training for endurance events at an elite level; Enough, about what he sees as the existential dangers of genetic engineering; Wandering Home, about a long solo hiking trip from his current home in the mountains east of Lake Champlain in Ripton, Vermont back to his longtime neighborhood of the Adirondacks.

In March 2007 McKibben published Deep Economy: the Wealth of Communities and the Durable Future. It addresses what the author sees as shortcomings of the growth economy and envisions a transition to more local-scale enterprise.

In late summer 2006, Bill helped lead a five-day walk across Vermont to demand action on global warming that some newspaper accounts called the largest demonstration to date in America about climate change. Beginning in January 2007 he founded stepitup07.org to demand that Congress enact curbs on carbon emissions that would cut global warming pollution 80 percent by 2050. With six college students, he organized 1,400 global warming demonstrations across all 50 states of America on April 14, 2007. Step It Up 2007 has been described as the largest day of protest about climate change in the nation’s history. A guide to help people initiate environmental activism in their community coming out of the Step It Up 2007 experience entitled Fight Global Warming Now was published in October 2007 and a second day of action on climate change was held the following November 3.

March 2008 saw the publication of The Bill McKibben Reader, a collection of 44 essays written for various publications over the past 25 years.

Bill is a frequent contributor to various magazines including The New York Times, The Atlantic Monthly, Harper’s, Orion Magazine, Mother Jones, The New York Review of Books, Granta, Rolling Stone, and Outside. He is also a board member and contributor to Grist Magazine.

Bill has been awarded Guggenheim and Lyndhurst Fellowships, and won the Lannan Prize for nonfiction writing in 2000. He has honorary degrees from Green Mountain College, Unity College, Lebanon Valley College and Sterling College.

Bill currently resides with his wife, writer Sue Halpern, and his daughter, Sophie, who was born in 1993, in Ripton, Vermont. He is a scholar in residence at Middlebury College.


50 posted on 05/11/2008 11:47:03 AM PDT by Maceman (If you're not getting a tax cut, you're getting a pay cut.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Have another toke .......


51 posted on 05/11/2008 11:48:39 AM PDT by Mr_Moonlight
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To: Sub-Driver

52 posted on 05/11/2008 11:55:16 AM PDT by Scourge of God (Pretty Stupid, Evil Stupid, or Old Stupid -- is this the best our country can find for President?)
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To: Sub-Driver

Really good charts, graphics and info PING!


53 posted on 05/11/2008 12:18:44 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: pillut48

Great photos! My first thought about the broken egg was to ditch the shell and scramble the egg. Add some bacon, (drive PETA nuts) and a cup of coffee. The doom-sayers need to get a life. No matter, they would turn that into more doom.I’ll just wipe that yellow off my chin and have another cup of coffee.


54 posted on 05/11/2008 12:20:31 PM PDT by hdstmf
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To: Sub-Driver
Mars has several times the density of CO2 and several times the density of total greenhouse gases in its atmosphere. In fact, its entire atmosphere is greenhouse gases so I'd like the climate kooks to tell me when Mars is going to hit its global warming “tipping point”.
55 posted on 05/11/2008 12:21:09 PM PDT by Perchant
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To: Popman

Don’t worry little girl, they will be dead long before you.


56 posted on 05/11/2008 12:22:44 PM PDT by hdstmf
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To: irv

NASA’s chief climatologist, James Hansen
Hasn’t this guy been fired for incompetence yet?

Nah. Incompetence is required for political appointees.


57 posted on 05/11/2008 12:24:55 PM PDT by hdstmf
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To: browardchad

It’s going to be dark tonight followed by light tomorrow, God willing. What will we do?! What will we do!


58 posted on 05/11/2008 12:30:58 PM PDT by hdstmf
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To: Sub-Driver
Global Warming! Stop it, or let it continue?

ITS YOUR CHOICE, BECAUSE HERE ARE THE CONSEQUENSES!


59 posted on 05/11/2008 12:31:05 PM PDT by Bommer (There's an (R) next to his name! I must trash my principles & beliefs and vote for the (R)!)
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To: Sub-Driver

IN 1989, McKibben published a book called The End of Nature. The book was probably written in 1988. The premise of book is that by 2000, the temperature will rise by 0.8 C (see page 7 of the book).

Reality check: in 1988 the global temperature was 0.12 C. In 2000, it was 0.02 C. The temperature actually dropped 0.1 C.


60 posted on 05/11/2008 12:34:46 PM PDT by Number_Cruncher
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