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To: Fishtalk

Yes, Bill is a good guy, BUT are you willing, as Bill suggests live with 4 years of Hillary or Obama and then win back conservatives in ‘12. Or does McCain win and conservatism gets set back guaranting a Dem. victory in ‘12?
I know that my pocketbook can’t handle DU’s in the WH. Not now, not ever!


357 posted on 03/04/2008 4:34:42 PM PST by cleveland gop (WOO HOO!! March Madness is finally here!! We'll miss ya Brett! GB#4, the HOF awaits you!)
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To: cleveland gop

I am confused like everyone else right now.

I think Bill C has a point but honestly, I don’t think MCCain has a chance to win against the Dem candidate, whoever it might be.

Although like everyone else, I’m just speculating.

I do have some thoughts on how it will go down should Hill win, which I think she will if nominated. It ain’t pretty but it won’t be so awful bad.

For sure we’ll have nationalized health care, something we wouldn’t likely have with McCain as Prez. Although again, McCain LOVES to reach across that aisle and I simply don’t trust the man. Not that he hasn’t betrayed conservatives so many times in the past and we should just forget this.Someone on this thread keeps saying over and over that McCain is important because of Judges and hey, WE SHOULD FORGET THAT GANG OF FOURTEEN STUNT?

I do NOT think Hillary will have us losing the war on terror. I think Hill wants to be the big, brave first woman Prez and she won’t wimp out on the war. I could be wrong, just a hunch, but she DID vote for the war and I think all her talk about wimping out is just posturing. But on this I’m almost positive McCain would be better but again, I DO NOT TRUST THIS MAN. He does love to reach across the aisle. And this is a fellow who berated Sec of Def Rumsfeld every damn chance he had, I have not forgotten. You know it really IS okay not to trust someone who has constantly betrayed you. Some would consider it SANE.

As for Supreme court....who’s retiring? the liberal justices? So what if Hill replaces them with more liberals? We did manage to get Scalia (who McCain said wore his conservatism on his sleeve I say to that commenter who keeps stupidly telling us that McCain is about supreme court judges) and Roberts in there. We won’t be any worse on that matter I would argue.

Still in summary, if McCain wins it will be because of the so-called Moderates out there, whoever they are, and disenchanted Dems. In fact, McCain’s counting on it. Don’t for one minute think he’s counting on US.

But yeah, I think nationalized health care is going to happen in this country inevitably. This became a factoid once the Dems got that Children’s health care program going. We’ve got a whole generation of kids growing up with health care and all of a sudden they got to go BUY their own? It’s going to happen. I don’t like it but I sure ain’t counting on McCain to stop it. McCain, may I remind, LOVES to reach across the aisle.

Hill WILL raise taxes, no doubt, but I must remind, heh, that McCain and only one other Republican voted AGAINST the Bush tax cuts how quickly they forget. So I should suddenly think that McCain won’t raise taxes? Just cause he says? Like he never lies or anything and don’t forget, this guy LOVES to reach across that vaunted aisle.

Well sorry for being so wordy but I just don’t see a big difference between McCain and Hill except maybe, MAYBE, McCain would be a little bitter than Hill on some things that matter to me.

Just so long as no one across the aisle wants his support.

By the way, McCain was announced the winner in Ohio over Huckabee. What a guy!


429 posted on 03/04/2008 4:56:37 PM PST by Fishtalk (If you liked the above post, remember I've got a Blog you might like to visit.)
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