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Mitt Romney And The Second Amendment
lonestartimes ^ | 2/25/2008

Posted on 01/25/2008 9:59:59 AM PST by JRochelle

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To: JRochelle
I have a very hard time supporting a candidate weak on the Second Amendment over a candidate who is stronger.

I find Governor Romney unquestionably weak on the Second Amendment.

As far as I can tell, the only two candidates left who are strong on the Second Amendment are Governor Huckabee and Congressman Paul. I disagree with both of them on substantive issues; however, the Second Amendment is the heart and soul of our Constitution, and the issues where I don't agree with Governor Huckabee and Congressman Paul are not quite so central.

A natural question is how much damage would a Romney presidency do to the Second Amendment? Unfortunately, there are some imponderables that make it difficult to even guess at an answer, with perhaps the most important that of the Heller case.

81 posted on 01/25/2008 11:00:04 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I want Mitt on record stating that he’d veto ANY anti-gun bill that crosses his desk, AND I want him to provide a complete list of all federal laws that he thinks infringe on the 2A.


82 posted on 01/25/2008 11:00:28 AM PST by LiveFree99
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To: Dead Corpse

He signed a bill that was authored by one pro-gun group, and endorsed by the NRA.

So yes, it was SUPPORT for RKBA. The gun owners groups in Massachusetts praised the bill as the best pro-gun bill in the state history. I didn’t say that, they did.

He also took other actions as Governor which were pro-gun. Of course, nobody talks about them when dismissing his record.


83 posted on 01/25/2008 11:01:15 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Vaquero
How do you support them, other than by saying so?

As I said, I don't support the NRA. I support the 2nd Amendment. I'm sorry but I believe lobbying organizations (including the NRA) are in the primary business of making money for them, the issue they "support" comes second to that.

What do you do besides dropping cash on the NRA and call that supporting the 2nd?

I vote 2nd amendment (among other issues), but I'm not a single issue voter. I carry daily open and concealed. I buy from my local gun stores and not big chain merchants. If someone asks I'll give them my honest opinion of guns, laws, and such. I've written my AG, another cities mayors, my congress critters, presidents of colleges I don't attend, even my local police chief on my opinion on issues effecting the 2nd amendment. I've conversed by phone and email to store and mall owner/managers and made my case why their store shouldn't have "no weapons" signs posted (including my local Cabela's and Joe's Sporting Goods). I HIGHLY encourage my Boy Scouts to get their Rifle and/or Shotgun merit badges as two of their electives even though they are not required. I could go on but that's just off the top of my head.

Yes I support and exercise the second amendment and I find it offensive that anyone would say I don't because I'm not a member of the NRA.

84 posted on 01/25/2008 11:01:26 AM PST by Domandred (Eagles soar, but unfortunately weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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To: redgirlinabluestate
"It was also before he worked with the NRA anad GOA and was successful in loosening gun restrictions in Massachusetts and getting a bill passed which was endorsed by the NRA."

Izzat so?

So now you can go out and by an "assault rifle" in Taxachusetts just like I can in Texas?

I didn't think so.

So, what's worse, babe, living in the past, or living in your own little fantasy world?

85 posted on 01/25/2008 11:01:57 AM PST by Redbob (WWJBD: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: McGruff

Nobody has taken guns away. The 1994 ban did not take any guns away, it just stopped you from buying new ones. If you wanted a gun, you just had to buy it before the bill took effect.


86 posted on 01/25/2008 11:02:05 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Redbob

See # 62, babe.


87 posted on 01/25/2008 11:03:36 AM PST by redgirlinabluestate ( United 4 Mitt - 2 Stop McCain, Huck & Rudy)
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To: N3WBI3
Ok so your point is Willard not as bad as Hillary

That was not my point. My point was that your argument was more in tune with what Hillary would say than what conservatives believe.

88 posted on 01/25/2008 11:04:55 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
So to sum up:

1. Supports the 2A as an individual, not government, right.

2. No new guns laws-just enforce the laws on the books.

3. The NRA considered the bill he passed in MA to be a net gain.

Damn him to hell! Looks like a great reason to go third party and let the clintons come back to power!

89 posted on 01/25/2008 11:06:49 AM PST by icwhatudo (Romney...because...well.....Hunter and Fred dropped out and a third party means clinton wins.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
"...he (Romney) WILL get the NRA endorsement if he is our nominee."

Well of COURSE he will!
That's pure poliitical expediency - they sure as hell wouldn't endorse Hussein Obama nor Hillary Clinton nor John Edwards!

THAT's no proof that Romney isn't still as anti-gun as the day is long!

But maybe I'm being too harsh on him: after all, he went huntinGGG once...
</sarc>

90 posted on 01/25/2008 11:08:46 AM PST by Redbob (WWJBD: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Dead Corpse; redgirlinabluestate

It wasn’t the GOA (Gun Owners of America), it was a STATE Gun Owners group. I think they were “GOAL” (maybe Gun Owners Action leauge) but I’m not sure of that.

The GOA link doesn’t denounce Romney, it says his various statements raise questions that have to be answered. The statement is undated, but in my opinion his press releases of December of this year answer their questions, as does this debate statement that he supports NO NEW GUN LAWS.


91 posted on 01/25/2008 11:09:20 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT; Mogollon
Mitt Romney on the Brady Bill:
"I supported the Brady Bill, which instituted a five-day waiting period before you could buy a handgun, and a ban on assault weapons. As I said in 1994,"That's not going to make me the hero of the NRA." But then, "I don't line up with the NRA." As I said in my gubernatorial campaign, "We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts. I support them. I won't chip away at them."

The Boston Globe

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/01/19/romney_vs_romney/

92 posted on 01/25/2008 11:09:26 AM PST by mountainbunny
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To: CharlesWayneCT
No. It was support for the NRA. Major difference. That the NRA has a history of tossing the baby out with the bath water should be self evident.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

It's not difficult to understand or comprehend. If you don't, then you don't deserve to claim to be "pro-RKBA" anything...

93 posted on 01/25/2008 11:10:38 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: LiveFree99

Well, he actually signed 3 pieces of pro-gun legislation, but not in his own blood.

You have to make up your own mind, and so long as you don’t claim Mitt has SAID he supports an AWB, you are entitled to your opinion of what you think he WILL do, even though I believe your opinion is ill-informed and at odds with the facts in evidence.


94 posted on 01/25/2008 11:10:39 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

The “Gun Guys” claim to be pro-gun too... Doesn’t mean they are anything more than a Brady Campaign front group.


95 posted on 01/25/2008 11:11:30 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: BabaOreally

I never read the book, but I heard that the movie was really bad, and the book was much better.

Being a novel, it is expected to be fiction.


96 posted on 01/25/2008 11:11:47 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: LiveFree99

Unfortunately, I do not have any access to his campaign. However, if you write an e-mail on his web site with those statements, I’d be interested in what his reply would be.


97 posted on 01/25/2008 11:12:50 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: LiveFree99

And further, that second question would be a GREAT question for the next debate. I have no idea how ANY of the candidates would answer that question — except that I’m certain Ron Paul’s answer would be provocative.


98 posted on 01/25/2008 11:13:33 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
"Actually, our individual rights are not exercised without restriction."

Certainly not, but neither are they supposed to be "infringed," and if prohibiting folks from purchasing what can ONLY be termed a "militia weapon" is not an infringement of the Second Amendment, I'd like for you to by God tell me what IS an infringement?

Do you think it requires the jack-booted thugs of the BATF led by Lon Horiuchi showing up at your front door?

Because it's been done...

99 posted on 01/25/2008 11:14:08 AM PST by Redbob (WWJBD: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: redgirlinabluestate
Yes, I know... McCain is an anti-RKBA nut bag too. This doesn't make Willard any more pro-RKBA.

Huck and Paul are the only two SOLIDLY pro-2A candidates left. There can be no rational argument for Rudy McRomney to be anything other than the pro-gun control RINO's that they are. People can try and spin it how they want, it does not change FACTS.

100 posted on 01/25/2008 11:14:40 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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