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To: JohnnyZ; nesnah; jan in Colorado
Mormons don't believe Jesus and Lucifer are brothers. They believe Jesus and Lucifer and other spirits are all spirit brothers.

Whatever that means.

You have to realize that many of the terms used by Christians are also used by Mormons, but with different meanings. For example, immortality and eternal life are separate things in Mormon theology, but unless you realize that, it's easy to misunderstand a Mormon and think that what he's telling you isn't so different from orthodox Christianity.

So...here we go... There's a Heavenly Father (Elohim), but also a Heavenly Mother. They had many spirit children, but Jesus was the first and highest of them. Lucifer wanted to be the Saviour of us on Earth, but wanted to save everyone...and got upset when Jesus was made Savior for Earth (with his plan of free agency--allowing man to choose to follow a path of salvation or not). Also, however, note that salvation isn't a mere choice to follow Jesus, but it is a collection faith and works...without the right combo of "merit badges," you can't get to the highest level of heaven and get stuck with other poor souls who never got married, etc.

As for the little baby in the manger, well...God came to Mary in the flesh and impregnated her, yielding Jesus. As the LDS apostles have explained, God (Heavenly Father) is the literal father of both the spiritual Jesus and the incarnate Jesus. Oh, and in case you're wondering how Mary was still a "virgin" after getting it on with God the Father...well, you see, "virgin" means that she never had sex with a mortal. That night with the Heavenly Father doesn't count, of course!

Oh, and just to clarify, Jesus was most definitely not begotten of The Holy Spirit (though he played some part...just don't ask me to explain...)

This is from LDS teaching, as well as Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, etc. And if you want to get into the twists and turns of what is believed about Old Testament terminology versus New Testament meanings of the same words, your head will start spinning. You have to keep track of when Jehovah refers to Jesus instead of the Father, etc.

35 posted on 12/12/2007 5:58:40 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

You need to stop clarifying the muddy water, OK?

I wonder how many TBMs have their punch cards ready for Joseph Smith when they stand at the gates to the Celestial Kingdom.


48 posted on 12/12/2007 6:11:48 PM PST by nesnah
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To: Gondring
My response to Huckabee is the same as what Glen Beck said today on his radio program...
"Shame on you, Mr. Huckabee...shame on you"!

I didn't think my opinion of him could get any lower...but it has.

80 posted on 12/12/2007 9:32:55 PM PST by jan in Colorado ("It's easier to believe a lie one heard 1,000 times than to believe a fact that one has never heard)
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