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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
Sorry, satan possessed the touch pad. That should have read:

Normal stuff was forbidden and that's what the object of the search was, not what you've claimed.

2,391 posted on 12/11/2007 9:43:38 PM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: spunkets

And you know this how???

At least when I speculate I state clearly that I am doing such. And, when this is clearly pointed out to you, you insist that everyone else is wrong, and that you’ve got a special hold on the truth — even though we did not know this person ourselves, and there is no way ANY of us could know for sure exactly what went on in his life...

You make an assumption that he was completely isolated, that his mother took away “normal” things from him, but yet you offer no proof of these assertions. You see that his father was a well respected member of society, successful and most likely busy, but you really have no clue what kind of father he was. You and I have no real proof that the father never spent time with his children, or cared about them... Again, all you do is take his rantings and assume that everything he alleges is true, at the same time that you admit (and assume) that he was in the grips of a psychosis so strong that he had no control over himself. That he had no sense of self at all... You cannot know these things for sure, but you state them as if you have no doubt... I find that rather strange, personally...

You seem to be taking everything at face value, looking for someone — anyone — to assign blame to instead of the person himself... The truth is at some point we are all responsible for our own actions. There was obviously a time in this man’s life that he KNEW he was sick, and yet turned his back on the help offered to him — that was a choice he made.

One cannot force another to “get well”. Despite all the best medications and doctors in the world if someone truly doesn’t wish to get better they won’t...

He even speaks of how to manipulate doctors and other professionals into believing you’re not a real threat to yourself or others. He counsels people on how to lie to suicide prevention workers — don’t say you have a plan, don’t admit you hear voices, etc... etc... This is a sign of someone who KNOWS there is something wrong, who KNOWS that it is not “normal” to feel this way. Someone who is intent on manipulating the people around him — especially those in a unique position to help. When one is truly experiencing psychosis of the sort you are assuming he was you are NOT in control enough of your mental functions to think through what you are doing and saying to the point of manipulating others in this way... At least no-one that I’ve ever seen who was truly experincing a psychotic break was that in control... I question whether you really understand these things — or whether you are making yet more assumptions based upon some ideation of “self-esteem” and childhood abuse.

I would also question whether or not you are decidedly anti-Christian because in between the lines of your post I hear the same sort of accusations and assumptions — that all who feel strongly against some of the more negative influences in our society and attempt to guard against the influence in their children are to blame... If he experienced all of these things why is not his brother then reacting the same way??? Again, it comes back to choices, and/or outright manipulation...


2,414 posted on 12/11/2007 11:31:33 PM PST by LibertyRocks
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To: spunkets

I think it was a mixed bag.

Certainly it seems, appears from avaiable evidence likely the parameters and punisments at the hand of Mom . . . evidently with at least SOME EMOTIONALLY incestuous stuff . . .

made his childhood and at least his teen years

a very crazy existence.


2,436 posted on 12/12/2007 5:29:29 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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