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To: LibertyRocks
"You say that he didn’t know G-d... I don’t think you can honestly say that for sure, can you?"

I can say that with certainty. All he ever presented was contradiction and confusion in the matter.

"You are making assumptions that everything he has written about his home life is true"

I haven't finished reading all of what he wrote, but the essentials stick out like a sore thumb. He never would have made it to that xpentacostal board if it weren't essentially true, let alone spend time there.

"one can definitely be influenced by the world of satanism "

That stuff is as goofy as what he was reacting to. He never elaborated on it himself, because he had no idea what any of it was about other than to be confused by it's contradictions. He had to copy it, then post it. It did not come from within him. It's only attraction to him, was that it's confusion opposed the confusion he'd been subject to.

As far as decisions go. I think he could decide to eat, or not to eat, but he was incapable of making decisions that would effect his personality, because he had none. A simple way to put it is that his entire concept of self was a complete mess and he was cluless to sort it all out and begin building. That's what he presented on the xpentacostal board.

As far as spiritual recognition and decisions go, an intact mind is essential. I don't see any evidence that he had one.

2,390 posted on 12/11/2007 9:38:56 PM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: spunkets
He never would have made it to that xpentacostal board if it weren't essentially true, let alone spend time there.

Right. Like kids never lie about child abuse, an adult would never lie about spiritual abuse. The truth is that you don't know what he experienced. In fact, if you can find a claim that he specifically makes of abuse (not typical teenage angst), I'd love to read it. I didn't see any.

2,407 posted on 12/11/2007 11:02:03 PM PST by the808bass
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To: spunkets

As far as decisions go. I think he could decide to eat, or not to eat, but he was incapable of making decisions that would effect his personality, because he had none. A simple way to put it is that his entire concept of self was a complete mess and he was cluless to sort it all out and begin building. That’s what he presented on the xpentacostal board.

As far as spiritual recognition and decisions go, an intact mind is essential. I don’t see any evidence that he had one.

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BTW, I like your CS Lewis quote a lot.

Some good points . . .

But I still disagree significantly.

I still believe he had plenty mind and identity intact to willfully own a good amount of very focused evil.

Yes, there was confusion. Yes, his identity was not . . . ideally robust, balanced, stable. His construct system was likely still SOMEWHAT above average vulnerable to emotional shifting.

However, I suspect a George Kelly Construct grid would have shown an amazing amount of stability and coherence given all his perceived reality.

But mostly, this was one ENRAGED kid. And, if 10% of his allegations were true—his rage was at least somewhat understandabe.

It’s easy to say it was overblown, out of proportion, extreme, off the wall etc.

But take a very sensitive kid who’s likely above average in IQ . . . and subject him to such a home life . . . the outcome is not any great surprise. Happens all the time.

Throw in the intense spiritual stuff with even, sadly, too average an amount of hypocrisy . . . it’s predictable this kid would not handle it well.

I think his anger focused and fueled his identity and mentality much more than you seem to think possible if he was as confused and deconstructed mentally as much as you seem to think he was.


2,435 posted on 12/12/2007 5:27:30 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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