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Death of Jefferson Davis Remembered - The Christmas of 1889 Was a Sad Time in the South
Accessnga.com ^ | 11/19/07 | Calvin Johnson, Jr.

Posted on 11/19/2007 10:09:26 AM PST by BnBlFlag

Death of Jefferson Davis Remembered - The Christmas of 1889 was a sad time in the South. By Calvin Johnson Jr. Staff Email Contact Editor Print

Jefferson Davis - AuthenticHistory.com December 6th, is the 118th anniversary of the death of a great American Hero---Jefferson Davis.

The "Politically Correct" would have you forget the past...But do not forget the history of the men and women who made the USA great.

Caution, this is a family friendly story to be shared.

The Sons of Confederate Veterans have declared 2008, the "Year of Jefferson Davis." Remembrance events will include the re-opening of "Beauvoir" on Jefferson Davis' 200th birthday---June 3, 2008. This was Davis' last home that was damaged by Hurricane Katrina. The Jefferson Davis Presidential Library and Museum will be rebuilt and re-open about two years after the house. Beauvoir is located on the beautiful Mississippi Gulf Coast. See more at: www.beauvoir.org

The New York Times reported the death of Jefferson Davis;

New Orleans, December 8, 1889---Quote "A careful tally of the visitors shows that about 40,000 persons, mostly women and children, viewed the remains today. This crowd included, in solemn and respectful attendance, all conditions of Whites, Blacks, ex-Confederates, ex-Federals, and even Indians and Chinamen." ---Unquote

Davis' Death was also the page 1 story in Dixie;

Excerpt: http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=204067&c=11

(Excerpt) Read more at accessnorthga.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: confederacy; dixie; jeffersondavis; southernheritage
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To: CodeToad
The north had more people and more votes.

The Northern and Midwestern States also had the economic power (technology, financial system, transportation networks, and manufacturing infrastructures) to enforce the votes of their citizens.

Seceding States could have gained an ally in Britain, which had significant economic power, and the war might have gone differently, but--the blockade prevented Southern exports of cotton, and the British valued their imports of wheat from the United States far more than their imports of cotton from the Confederate States. After all, you can't eat cotton.

221 posted on 11/20/2007 3:12:17 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * U.Va. Engineering * Go Hoos! * Fred Thompson 2008)
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To: CodeToad
The North favored protective tariffs for their manufacturing industry. The South, which exported agricultural products to and imported manufactured goods from Europe, favored free trade and was hurt by the tariffs. Plus, a northern-dominated Congress enacted laws similar to Britain's Navigation Acts to protect northern shipping interests.

Bingo! Two competing economic systems...the vestiges of mercantilist ideology against which American colonists fought a War of Independence and the system of free trade, with smaller, restrained government.

222 posted on 11/20/2007 3:17:16 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * U.Va. Engineering * Go Hoos! * Fred Thompson 2008)
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To: CodeToad
Shortly after Lincoln's election, Congress passed the highly protectionist Morrill tariffs. That's when the South seceded, setting up a new government.

Someone might want to point out to Williams that the Morrill tariff was passed in March 1861, almost 3 months after the Southern statese seceded. But then again, facts have never been his strong point.

223 posted on 11/20/2007 4:01:53 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: BnBlFlag

Actually, Davis did all of the things that Lincoln is accused of. It was Davis who lost the war by refusing to remove incompetent Generals who were his friends. His draft act was sure “fair”. Draft all of the poor and middle class but leave the rich guys alone.


224 posted on 11/20/2007 4:06:25 AM PST by american_ranger (Never ever use DirecTV)
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To: IronJack
1) Lincoln's suspension of numerous constitutional rights (habeus corpus, free press, e.g.);

The executive has the prerogative of suspending habeas corpus in times of national emergency. The federal government has the authority to take measures against sedition.

Lincoln did his job.

2) The destruction of states' rights as an operative political doctrine, and the substitution of non-negotiable federalism;

States' rights as a destructive political obsession thankfully died with the adoption of the Constitution. It's a shame that so many people died because the anti-federalists apparently didn't read the memo.

3) The first pass at an income tax;

War is expensive and the Constitution provided Congress with the ability to fund armies. It's not as if the Confederacy refrained from levying taxes on income either.

4) The corruption of the procurement process for Union supplies and materiel;

In every age in every land warfare procurement presents opportunities for graft and corruption because speed and availability are far more important in wartime than careful oversight and price negotiation. This was not a novelty confined in time and place to the Union during the Civil War.

5) The lukewarm and ineffective way in which the war was waged under Scott, McClellan, & Co. in the early stages;

Great military captains do not grow on trees. The scope and technology of the Civil War was previously unprecedented and it took time to identify which officers were the most effective captains. No war has ever been prosecuted flawlessly from its very beginning to its very end - let alone an epoch-making war like that one.

6) A lasting legacy of overbearing paternalism that borders on hubris, that defies the spirit of this nation's founding, and that has been exploited to force unconscionable uniformity throughout a polyglot culture.

That's a lot of babble. "Unconscionable uniformity throughout a polyglot culture" - what concrete phenomenon is that supposed to refer to?

To suggest that Confederate soldiers were not driven as much by honor as Union troops is absurd and chauvinistic.

Of course the great men of the Confederacy were driven by honor. The question is: what was honorable about the way of life they were fighting to preserve? On balance, not much.

225 posted on 11/20/2007 4:16:24 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: Non-Sequitur
HOR passed the Morill Tariff act on May 10, 1860. In the Senate it was delayed till after the Pres. election.

Lincoln, after being elected pointed out if the Morill Tariff Act did not get out of the Senate, he would propose a new one.

226 posted on 11/20/2007 4:20:34 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: BnBlFlag

You lost the war. Get over it.


227 posted on 11/20/2007 4:21:13 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: BnBlFlag

Beauvoir was not just damaged by Katrina it was dang near destroyed. I saw it the year after the hurricane. If that were any average Joe’s house it would have been condemned then torn down. But this year i saw it again and the work is coming along nicely. Biloxi and Beauvoir will be ready in 2008. While New Orleans still sits in piles of rubbish.


228 posted on 11/20/2007 4:28:30 AM PST by uncitizen
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To: rollo tomasi
HOR passed the Morill Tariff act on May 10, 1860. In the Senate it was delayed till after the Pres. election.

The South had blocked it in the Senate in 1860. And had the Democrats not gone off and rebelled they could have killed it in the Senate again in 1861. To say that the tariff was the reason for the Southern rebellion ignores the opinions and writings of the Southern leaders of the time. In their opinion, secession was to protect slavery and not because of the tariff.

229 posted on 11/20/2007 4:35:14 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
The writing was on the wall in the "Southerner's" eyes. Also the Senate did not "kill it" the free traders never had the numbers to do so, (HOR never had to go back to the drawing board) the dims used every kind a maneuver they could muster up to block a full floor vote though.

It was delayed yes, but after being used as a wedge issue during the election cycle of 1860 the Repubs again had the upper hand, Americans wanted this (As Lincoln so eloquently pointed out) and once after the election took place those cotton States saw the "writing on the wall" they left and it was easy pickens to raise the rate even further the next summer.

Tariffs/slavery = the South's economic interest This war was about economics period and yes slavery was part of their lively hood and wanted that perverted "right" protected.

Keep in mind I am not a southern apologist, anybody that advocates "owning another person" for cheap labor deserves their fate dished out cold. Crap happens and in the end I do believe Morill was more about protectionist utopian desires than "sticking it to the South".

A messed up period in our history that still causes "messed up" ramifications today.
230 posted on 11/20/2007 5:19:59 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi
Tariffs/slavery = the South's economic interest.

If protective tariffs were such a bone of contention then why was one of the first acts of the confederate congress the adoption of a protective tariff?

231 posted on 11/20/2007 5:23:08 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Easy, they needed income to pay for war.

In the seemingly hypocritical South’s case, the income collected would be controlled by “them” instead of the “Union” which they thought had it out for them.

If your perceived “enemy” was collecting “taxes” from your labor and using those “taxes” to beef themselves up I guess you would get pissed. This was there main sticking point, how the dollars were distributed.

232 posted on 11/20/2007 5:31:33 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Whoops forgot, why did many “free traders” vote for higher tariffs after the South split? Same exact reason, to raise revenue quickly to fight.


233 posted on 11/20/2007 5:34:09 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
But then again, facts have never been his strong point.

The problem may be in His wording. It should have read,

Shortly after Lincoln's election,when the South seceded, setting up a new government. Congress passed the highly protectionist Morrill tariffs.

Williams is a brilliant man, but we all make mistakes.
234 posted on 11/20/2007 5:39:28 AM PST by smug (Free Ramos and Compean:)
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To: wideawake
"Unconscionable uniformity throughout a polyglot culture" - what concrete phenomenon is that supposed to refer to?

The imposition of a "one size fits all" federalism that, taken to its logical conclusion, means that every American should live, act, and think the same as every other, and that regional differences are not to be tolerated. It was this same federalism that gave rise to forced integration, environmental overregulation, and draconian meddling like the 55-mph speed limit, for example.

Of course the great men of the Confederacy were driven by honor. The question is: what was honorable about the way of life they were fighting to preserve? On balance, not much.

Hogwash. The Southern way of life was genteel, refined, and civilized, a cultural anachronism, to be sure, but not exactly hell on earth. States respected each others' sovereignty, and respected the fact that each assigned different priorities to the same values. That philosophy was in keeping with the original intent of the Colonies, in which each state held an individual charter issued by different groups to different groups for very different reasons.

The Confederacy united all its member states too -- briefly -- but with the proviso that any would be free to leave that confederacy at will.

As to the rest of your responses, I did not say that the Unions' actions couldn't be defended. I simply said that it was not without sin in its prosecution of the war.

235 posted on 11/20/2007 5:42:02 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack
“I simply said that it was not without sin in its prosecution of the war.”

What was so bad about how they fought? Seems the North did everything they could to win which is the goal. Nothing sinful about that.

Sherman’s “march” (Total war)? Heck, that was genius and very effective in order to get connected with the Navel fleet that would offer continuous supplies.

236 posted on 11/20/2007 5:49:43 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Thanks.


237 posted on 11/20/2007 5:49:58 AM PST by Badeye (That Karma thing keeps coming around, eh Sally? (chuckle))
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To: Texas Mulerider

Yes, they were viewed in hindsight.


238 posted on 11/20/2007 5:51:44 AM PST by Badeye (That Karma thing keeps coming around, eh Sally? (chuckle))
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To: rollo tomasi
What was so bad about how they fought?

The argument isn't over whether the Union was evil and the South heroic. It is whether either side held a monopoly on honor. I contend, and maintain, that that is not true. The Union's prosecution of the war was flawed on any number of accounts, as was the Confederacy's. But both sides can point to numerous accounts of sterling behavior as well, and in some of the most demanding circumstances imaginable.

I think it is unfair (and jingoist) to project all manner of vile motives behind the South's actions during the war while exempting the Union from the same scrutiny.

239 posted on 11/20/2007 5:59:46 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack
The imposition of a "one size fits all" federalism that, taken to its logical conclusion, means that every American should live, act, and think the same as every other, and that regional differences are not to be tolerated.

Oh, give me a break. No one is compelling you to live, act or think in any way.

It was this same federalism that gave rise to forced integration

Black citizens have a right to attend public schools. Racism isn't a "regional difference" - it's a violation of constitutional rights.

environmental overregulation

This is a phenomenon of the 1960s, not the 1860s.

draconian meddling like the 55-mph speed limit, for example

If you don't like the interstates, take the back roads.

The Southern way of life was genteel, refined, and civilized, a cultural anachronism, to be sure, but not exactly hell on earth.

Genteel, refined and civilized for about the one-half of one-percent of the population that constituted the Tidewater aristocracy.

If you think the average Southern family sat in tranquil leisure on the broad verandah of their palatial home on 4000 acres, sipping juleps from silver cups and discussing Montesquieu while the strains of Chopin issued forth from the grand piano in the conservatory, you're fantasizing.

In 1860, most Southerners - black and white - spent their days as subsistence farm laborers with severely limited or nonexistent educations.

Genteel is expensive, and there wasn't much money in the South if you weren't a planter, a slave trader, a textile exporter or an attorney working for the aforementioned.

States respected each others' sovereignty, and respected the fact that each assigned different priorities to the same values.

The states are not sovereigns: the Constitution makes that perfectly clear.

That philosophy was in keeping with the original intent of the Colonies, in which each state held an individual charter issued by different groups to different groups for very different reasons.

Yes, the King and Parliament had a continuing interest in keeping the colonies separated from one another by trying to play regional issues back and forth between them: attempting to keep them divided and down.

Luckily, the Constitution put an end to the legal establishment of sectionalism.

I simply said that it was not without sin in its prosecution of the war.

Ah, but it was. No other nation in the world's history has ever shown anything approaching that level of domestic restraint during a civil war.

240 posted on 11/20/2007 6:02:50 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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