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To: Colofornian
First, I’m the one who put in context the disingenuous nature of your post by providing the readers with the total student body and faculty population at BYU. The impression made by your post was that BYU students and faculty gave Senator Reid a standing ovation without putting into context that the standing ovation represented only 3 percent of the student body and faculty. Did you give any context to your post? Of course not because that would expose that the students and faculty supportive of Reid is miniscule in relation to the entire student body.

Second, why does it not surprise me that you would try to use BYU replaying the Harry Reid forum on its station as proof of its liberal leanings and “force-feeding Harry Reid on America at-large.”. How pathetic. I guess you didn’t bother to learn that BYU-TV regularly replays EVERY forum/devotional multiple times, did you? If you wanted to see Chief Justice Roberts’ forum speech on BYU-TV, you could also choose from several selections. Don’t bother with the facts, just hurl the charges of “force-feeding,” right?

You said:

All I was pointing out is that BYU doesn’t appear to be as conservative as it used to be. (You disagree with that?)

It would be my contention, though, that both BYU students AND faculty are not as conservative as they once were.

And your proof of the foregoing? A whopping 3 percent of the faculty and BYU were supportive of Reid when he spoke at the forum. That is damning proof I tell you that BYU is becoming liberal, truly damning proof.

I’m a graduate of BYU. My daughter is currently attending BYU. My son will be attending BYU next year. I’m involved with campus activities. I’m the BYU alumni president in the area where I live. I’m confident I know the climate at BYU much better than you do or ever will. You’ve probably never even been on the campus, but certainly feel comfortable asserting that students and faculty are “less conservative.” I have a very good pulse on BYU as compared to you and I consider the students/faculty to be no less conservative today than when I attended. But of course, your opinon would be more valid than mine because you know so much more about BYU than I do, right?

You said:

I’ve read firsthand what one BYU prof is teaching in his class and I can tell you with 100% certainty that what this BYU prof is teaching is typical of what liberal profs are teaching nationwide...and that the old guard @ BYU would not have put up with this kind of content.

Please be specific. Identify this professor and what he supposedly is teaching that is “typical of what liberal profs are teaching nationwide.” I find this assertion particularly suspect.

Finally, your use of the quote by Magleby is specious. Nothing in his quote references marriage as an area where the Lord has been silent or that students cannot disagree with Reid’s non-support for a Constitutional Amendment. Did Magleby specifically tell the students they should not disagree with Reid on a marriage amendment and be silent on the issue of marriage? You created a totally bogus red herring.

More importantly, don’t you at least think you should disclose Reid’s history regarding his support for marriage between a man and a woman. Reid, a Nevada senator, SUPPORTED Question 2 in Nevada which amended the Nevada Constitution to recognize marriage as only between a man and a woman. Reid has stated he doesn’t support a US Constitutional Amendment because he believes it should be handled on a state level. Remember states rights and the Tenth Amendment? He in fact supported such an amendment to the Nevada Constitution. While I personally disagree with Reid's stance on the US Constitution, its not as if he doesn't support marriage as only between a man a woman.

Bottom line: Do us all a favor and peddle your anti-Mormon garbage elsewhere.

416 posted on 10/30/2007 1:17:05 PM PDT by ComeUpHigher
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To: ComeUpHigher; Colofornian
I’ve read firsthand what one BYU prof is teaching in his class and I can tell you with 100% certainty that what this BYU prof is teaching is typical of what liberal profs are teaching nationwide...and that the old guard @ BYU would not have put up with this kind of content.
CUH:Please be specific. Identify this professor and what he supposedly is teaching that is “typical of what liberal profs are teaching nationwide.” I find this assertion particularly suspect.

Wellll...how 'bout this?

Y. professor thinks bombs, not planes, toppled WTC

The physics of 9/11 — including how fast and symmetrically one of the World Trade Center buildings fell — prove that official explanations of the collapses are wrong, says a Brigham Young University physics professor. In fact, it's likely that there were "pre-positioned explosives" in all three buildings at ground zero, says Steven E. Jones.

In a paper posted online Tuesday and accepted for peer-reviewed publication next year, Jones adds his voice to those of previous skeptics.

Jones, who conducts research in fusion and solar energy at BYU, is calling for an independent, international scientific investigation "guided not by politicized notions and constraints but rather by observations and calculations.

"It is quite plausible that explosives were pre-planted in all three buildings and set off after the two plane crashes — which were actually a diversion tactic," he writes. "Muslims are (probably) not to blame for bringing down the WTC buildings after all," Jones writes.

427 posted on 10/30/2007 2:13:38 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I have a tagline . I just don't think the forum police will allow me to use it. THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!)
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To: ComeUpHigher
You’ve probably never even been on the campus...

I was laying my head on a BYU dorm pillow well before you even knew your daughter. I certainly know how conservative BYU students were at least once upon a time. But I'll concede that these days no doubt your campus pulse is better than mine.

Please be specific. Identify this professor and what he supposedly is teaching that is “typical of what liberal profs are teaching nationwide.” I find this assertion particularly suspect.

No. I won't give this prof an ever-widening platform for his liberal tenets. And it's not like he hasn't already been public with what he's pushing (I don't have any "inside" knowledge on him). It's not like the BYU admin folks aren't aware of concerns (they are). I frankly think the problem will correct itself, because I think you & I can actually agree that the main core of BYU is still conservative, and that conservative element will win out.

(There isn't it nice when we can actually agree on something?)

451 posted on 10/30/2007 3:26:09 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: ComeUpHigher
your anti-Mormon garbage

BUMP

516 posted on 10/31/2007 5:12:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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