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Jackpot or Mistake? Man Sues Casino over $1.6 Million 'Jackpot'
ABC News ^ | Oct. 25, 2007 | JIM AVILA, BETH TRIBOLET,DONNA CHOI and SCOTT MICHELS

Posted on 10/25/2007 6:20:52 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182

For about an hour last August, Gary Hoffman was a very lucky man.

Hoffman was playing the nickel slot machines at the Sandia Resort and Casino on an Indian reservation in New Mexico, when he appeared to hit the jackpot: the machine said he won nearly $1.6 million.

"I became ecstatic," he said.

But the ecstasy was short-lived. Hoffman says in a lawsuit filed earlier this year that Sandia refused to pay, claiming that the machine malfunctioned. Instead, he said, they gave him about $385 and a few free meals at the casino.[snip].....

[snip]Regardless, a jury may never get chance to hear Hoffman's case. Native American tribes, as independent nations, have their own court systems and can be sued in state courts only under limited circumstances. New Mexico law generally does not allow tribes to be sued in a state court over a contract dispute, Kleiman said.....

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cantevenbreakeven; casino; geronimosrevenge; indiangivers; scams
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To: Wolfie

I was thinking that a $1.6 million payout on nickel slots seems extremely unlikely - they just don’t have jackpots that big on nickel slots.


21 posted on 10/25/2007 6:40:54 AM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
They also don't have to obey municipal fire codes, etc.

There was quite an article in the local paper last year pointing violations out; fire inspectors said they'd shut Fantasy Springs down if they could - improper exit signs, lack of safety "push" doors and that sort of thing.

22 posted on 10/25/2007 6:41:55 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
...Probably missing a few.... Add Delaware. Slots only.
23 posted on 10/25/2007 6:42:05 AM PDT by bobsatwork
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Could be. If I went to a casino I would not go to an Indian one.

I play the home version:
1. Take your money in one hand.
2. Throw it over your shoulder.

That way, my wife and kids always win.

24 posted on 10/25/2007 6:43:04 AM PDT by magslinger (I will not submit.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Pennsylvania (slots only) and West Virginia which just added table games.


25 posted on 10/25/2007 6:43:36 AM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: BluH2o

Louisiana, Mississippi, and New Jersey. Some on the Ohio river, Illinois I think, I believe I’d heard of casinos in Michigan.


26 posted on 10/25/2007 6:44:02 AM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

I actually agree with the casino. The max jackpot on the machine was $2500 and states as such. The machine showed he won $1.6M. Not the same as if the machine was able to pay that amount.


27 posted on 10/25/2007 6:45:17 AM PDT by DemEater
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To: tickmeister
Ding Ding Ding we have a winner.
28 posted on 10/25/2007 6:46:36 AM PDT by az_illini (Freedom is the freedom to say two + two make four. If that is granted, all else follows-G. Orwell)
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To: DemEater
"The max jackpot on the machine was $2500 and states as such".... Why didn't the casino give the guy $2500? Makes me wonder if was a complete malfunction; maybe the guy didn't hit the jackpot AT ALL, but the "you win" lights went off anyway.
29 posted on 10/25/2007 6:49:24 AM PDT by bobsatwork
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To: bobsatwork

They offered him the max payout. Apparently he refused it.


30 posted on 10/25/2007 6:55:34 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: DemEater
I actually agree with the casino. The max jackpot on the machine was $2500 and states as such.

In order for me to accept that there would have to be big signs at every entrance of the casino warning that each and every slot machine has a posted maximum payout and that maximum is posted,very prominently,on each machine.The warning would have to further state that *any* payout displayed by a machine that exceeds that machine's posted max will not be honored.

The key to my statement is...no "fine print".The warnings must be large and must be found all over the casino...including on each machine.In fact,each machine must be set up to require that a player respond to some prompt from the machine informing each player of the limits rule and the response must be "I understand and accept these rules".

31 posted on 10/25/2007 6:57:41 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Wanna see how bad it can get? Elect Hillary and find out.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

A glitch? What the rigged machined didn’t work as it was supposed to? Perhaps they should go back to weighted dice. The casino is responsible for its machines. It should have insurance to cover liablilty of gliches.

Think about it the other way: if you gambled with money you didn’t have (perhaps a bad check that initally passed), would the casino accept an excuse about a glitch in calculating your bank balance? Or would they take you out back and scalp you?

Additionally, the bank error analogy is erroueous since there was not a wager placed to win that amount.


32 posted on 10/25/2007 6:57:45 AM PDT by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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To: varyouga
How would a player know if it’s really a malfunction or just the Casino not paying? Many jackpots are probably not paid using this excuse.

Exactly. The definition of a win should be when the machine displays a win, malfunction or no, unless it can be proven that the player tampered with the machine. It is the responsibility of the casino the ensure that the slot machines are working properly.

33 posted on 10/25/2007 7:01:40 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Gambling is a tax on the mathematically disinclined anyway. They can only ‘screw the public over’ if the public is stupid enough to gamble away their money at their casino.

I agree with the posters who say that NOT paying out the jackpot will probably cost the casino more in bad publicity and lost revenue than just paying it.

Also, a treaty is a treaty. If we granted them Sovereign Immunity, then they have Sovereign Immunity. Don’t like it? Stay off the reservation.

34 posted on 10/25/2007 7:01:44 AM PDT by allmendream (A binary modality is a sure sign you don't understand the problem. (Hunter 08))
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To: tickmeister
Better yet, get an actual life instead of spending time feeding nickles into a machine that will give you back part of them.

I'm inclined to agree.I've been to Vegas before (because I was dating a girl who lived there) and I've been to Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun once (I was driving by).In the several visits I've made to casinos in my life I've wagered less than $5...and lost all of it.Lotteries and casinos were designed for those who flunked math.

35 posted on 10/25/2007 7:02:49 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Wanna see how bad it can get? Elect Hillary and find out.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

You could certianly try to idiot proof it, but the world builds better idiots every day.


36 posted on 10/25/2007 7:04:59 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Barney Gumble

There was no wager placed to win $1.6 million either. He placed a wager to win $2,500.


37 posted on 10/25/2007 7:05:59 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Anti-Bubba182

He should sue the slot manufacturer, IGT. A billion-dallar company might pay off just to avoid the bad publicity.


38 posted on 10/25/2007 7:06:10 AM PDT by The people have spoken
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To: Anti-Bubba182

If they have sovereign immunity how come they get to vote in US elections?


39 posted on 10/25/2007 7:06:34 AM PDT by Menehune56 (Oderint Dum Metuant (Let them hate, so long as they fear - Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC)))
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To: Red Badger
Indian givers?.............

LOL. great post.

40 posted on 10/25/2007 7:06:42 AM PDT by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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