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RIAA aims lawyers at usenet newsgroup service
The Register ^ | 17th October 2007 | Cade Metz

Posted on 10/21/2007 12:59:31 PM PDT by Bobalu

RIAA aims lawyers at usenet newsgroup service 'Worse than P2P'

By Cade Metz in San Francisco → Published Wednesday 17th October 2007 22:42 GMT

The Recording Industry Ass. of America has now attacked a company that provides access to internet newsgroups.

Last Friday, RIAA lawyers chucked a federal lawsuit at Usenet.com, claiming that the Fargo, North Dakota newsgroup service "enables and encourages" people to swap copyrighted music.

The organization that represents the country's big-name record labels is convinced that Usenet.com infringes copyrights in ways that extend well beyond peer-to-peer file-sharing services.

"[Usenet.com] provides essentially the same functionality that P2P services such as Napster, Aimster, Grokster, and Kazaa did (prior to being enjoined by the federal courts) - knowingly providing the site and facilities for users to upload and download copyrighted works - except that [it] goes further than even the P2P services to facilitate and encourage copyright infringement by users," the complaint reads.

Usenet.com offers web mavens anonymous access to over 120,000 usenet newsgroups, those bulletin-board-like server networks that have facilitated online data swapping since the 80s. Some of these are ASCII-based groups that serve up text-based info, but as Usenet.com points out, others are binary groups that serve up files, including MP3s.

"Today's hottest way of sharing MP3 files over the Internet is Usenet; forget about all the peer-to-peer software applications, which quickly become outdated," reads the Usenet.com site. "Usenet allows everyone around the world to share their files on a worldwide network of peer servers and make them available to any member of this worldwide network."

According to Fred von Lohmann, a lawyer with the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), a digital watchdog, the RIAA has long fought behind the scenes to shutdown access to binary newsgroups.

"I know just from talking to lawyers from recording industry lawyers that they've had their eye on usenet groups for a quite awhile," von Lohmann told The Reg. "My impression is that most commercial ISPs have given up on binary newsgroups under pressure from the entertainment industry."

The Grokster analogy

But this is the first time the RIAA has actually filed suit against a newsgroup service, following in the footsteps of anti-piracy crusaders in the movie business. With its suit, the RIAA claims that Usenet.com is guilty of just about every form of copyright infringement, from "direct" to "vicarious" - with a stop at "contributory" in between.

"They're accusing Usenet.com of direct copyright infringement, alleging that the service distributes and reproduces content without authorization," Julie Jennings, a copyright attorney with the St. Louis firm Senniger Powers, told us. "But they're also saying that the company induces others to infringe."

According to the suit, the North Dakota company is actually hosting copyrighted content, something pure peer-to-peer services don't do. "Unlike P2P services, which rely on individual users to store copyright content on their personal computers, [Usenet.com] stores the copyrighted sound recordings on its own high-quality commercial servers," the complaint reads.

And it claims that Usenet.com is actively urging users to swap copyrighted songs, citing several public statements from the company - including the one we quote three paragraphs back. "The argument here is that the site is telling people how to infringe and encouraging them to do so," explained Ethan Horwitz, an intellectual property lawyer with the international firm King & Spalding.

This is the same sort of legal argument that the Supreme Court used to shut Grokster in the summer of 2005. But unlike Grokster, Usenet.com may be shielded by the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act. "In the Grokster case, we were talking about free-standing software, and that's not covered by the DMCA safe harbors," von Lohmann explained. "The DMCA protects services that are hosting material on behalf of users or linking to material - and this could apply to Usenet.com."

Usenet.com didn't respond to our request for comment, but the company's website insists that the service does not infringe copyrights. "Usenet.com's terms and conditions prohibit the posting, distribution, or reproduction in any way any copyrighted material, trademarks, or other proprietary information without obtaining the prior written consent of the owner of such proprietary rights," the site reads. And it claims that the company will remove copyrighted content on request.

If the suit actually goes to court, von Lohmann is sure that Usenet.com will stand behind the DMCA. "The DMCA provides safe harbors against all forms of copyright infringement liability, including inducement," he said. "They will argue that they are simply hosting material and that if someone sends them a take-down notice, they are more than happy to oblige."

So it's Viacom versus YouTube all over again. (R)


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: riaa; usenet
This is an instance where the DMCA works against the RIAA.
1 posted on 10/21/2007 12:59:33 PM PDT by Bobalu
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To: Bobalu

The amount of time and money these “people” waste on going after people is just mind boggling.


2 posted on 10/21/2007 1:06:05 PM PDT by The Worthless Miracle (I think Jamie Dupree is annoying.)
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To: The Worthless Miracle

Yup, watch them lose this case and in the process clue everyone in on the fact that you can download anything using usenet.

And good luck to them if they try to use DMCA take-down notices to clear materials from usenet... the stuff will be re-posted in hours requiring yet another round of take-downs.

And they will have no luck getting court orders to reveal the posters identities.... plenty of eager posters in foreign lands who will gleefully post.


3 posted on 10/21/2007 1:15:07 PM PDT by Bobalu (I guess I done see'd that varmint for the last time....)
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To: The Worthless Miracle

I absolutely refuse to buy another CD or legit download until these clowns stop suing fans of music.

The industry should have licensed the original Napster in ‘99 or ‘00 and come up with a system that could be monetized into a subscription format. They couldn’t think that far ahead, so they just started suing.

Not only that, but the RIAA has shown that they aren’t protecting the musicians. No artist is seeing money as a result of the settlements with the RIAA.

The cartel of the major labels (as well as so many indie labels) never paid artists a fair amount to begin with, had insane contracts that lasted for 20 years or longer with no rise in royalties, and took the rights of the recordings away from many artists.

Payback is a real pain, ain’t it RIAA?


4 posted on 10/21/2007 1:18:56 PM PDT by gunservative
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To: gunservative
Payback is a real pain, ain’t it RIAA?

They haven't seen anything yet. People will stop buying completely if these jerks don't offer the kind of thing you're suggesting and stop suing kids in basements or companies that offer legitimate products.These idiots just can't understand how they need to change with technology. The FREE ride has ended for them.

I will never buy another CD and go out of my way to encourage people not too, unless they feel strongly about supporting an artist as a fan.

I understand copyrights, but also have a huge problem with these lawsuits because it's usually going after people who don't have a dime, and then to add insult to injury they go for a garnishment of the perps wages. The RIAA is going to ruin an entire successful industry with their piddly silly-ass lawsuits!

5 posted on 10/21/2007 1:56:35 PM PDT by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: sirchtruth

Newsgroup providers have money to fight this. Unlike them suing kids, these people will put up a fight.

Giganews is who I use. Awesome service. Newsgroups are a distributed network of servers all over the world. Not really sure how they would be able to attack that.


6 posted on 10/21/2007 2:10:21 PM PDT by RiVer19
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To: Bobalu
The RIAA IQ [idiocy quotient] just jumped another 100 points. Out of thousands of computer users I've talked to over the years, not one - NOT ONE! - had ever heard of Usenet, let alone known how to access it. Now the RIAA has just announced to the world that virtually any song, any movie, any book you would like to find can be found there for FREE download. Way to go, RIAA!!
7 posted on 10/21/2007 2:15:08 PM PDT by TrueKnightGalahad (Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the Viking Kitties!)
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To: The Worthless Miracle

Spending money to make the CD’s and spending money to make people buy the CD’s......and now spending money going after people with no money.

They printing their own cash ?


8 posted on 10/21/2007 2:19:43 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: gunservative

You know what. I willing to bet most kids today are hooked up to iTunes or some other outfit. They have no clue what’s going on with this RIAA money grab BS.

Want to really PO the RIAA? Buy used CD’s off ebay. You can still buy the classics for less than a digital download, without all the use restrictions.


9 posted on 10/21/2007 2:19:57 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Bobalu

BTTT


10 posted on 10/21/2007 2:23:14 PM PDT by dennisw (France needs a new kind of immigrant — one who is "selected, not endured" - Nicholas Sarkozy)
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To: Jagermonster

Ping to self for later reading.


11 posted on 12/31/2007 10:25:14 AM PST by Jagermonster (Not a N00B, just wanted a new screenname)
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