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To: AndyTheBear
"If you are arguing that Christianity seeks to oppose Israel, then please show evidence from the Christian Bible."

That's a fallacy. You obviously know what's going on. And you want me to criticize your "bible" in this thread? What happened to proper manners in our society? Look at words attributed to Hellenist Paul for yourself.

"On the other hand if your only "evidence" is the opinions of some set of folks who claim to be Christians,..."

Look at where our culture came from and where it is going.

"I could easily construct a similarly ridiculous case that Judaism opposed Israel. Are there not many who claim to be Jews and yet express hostility toward the state of Israel?"

Yes, the ancient Romans assimilated and recruited them, too. They are assimilated into another religion and misused as false examples. Reform was founded for assimilation into a Christian culture. Have you studied the history of Reform and so-called "Conservative?" What do you know about Judaism: only what the Romans said?


166 posted on 10/14/2007 5:19:30 PM PDT by familyop (A Gentile on watch.)
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To: familyop
That's a fallacy. You obviously know what's going on. And you want me to criticize your "bible" in this thread?

I am a Christian. Does my religion call on me to oppose Israel or not? I am asking you to clarify this for me. My own reading of the Christian Bible says it does not. If the Christian Bible is actually telling me to oppose Israel, it would hardly be a criticism of that Bible for you to straighten me out about it. It would simply be saving me from being an apostate to my own religion (which is already being an apostate to yours, just how wrong do you want me to go ;-)

On the other hand, if you insist on searching the web for your source of proper Christian doctrine, it is my sad duty to inform you that the entire Internet has yet to be canonized. I will let you know if becomes so, but don't hold your breath.

Look at where our culture came from and where it is going.

Indeed, we are ceasing to be a Christian nation.

Yes, the ancient Romans assimilated and recruited them, too. They are assimilated into another religion and misused as false examples.

Exactly my point. Realizing this I might have expected you to be a little more sensitive to committing a similar error in regards to Christianity.

What do you know about Judaism: only what the Romans said?

I'm not sure why you are asking, but my understanding of Judaism is based mostly on Jewish scripture. It is augmented somewhat by discussions and experiences I have had with Jewish friends. But I take the scripture rather then any individual Jew as authoritative. Indeed, as a Christian I tend to read some of the versus very differently (for instance I interpret Isaiah 53 as relating to Christ rather then the traditional Jewish interpretation of it relating to Israel). Also I often pray to God for understanding of the same scripture.

The last thing I would do is to take the word of some leftwing-nut "Jewish authority" telling me Israel has no right to exist.

185 posted on 10/15/2007 5:58:59 AM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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