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WHY HILLARY BEATS RUDY
Yahoo ^ | 10/9/2007 | Maggie Gallagher

Posted on 10/09/2007 8:32:07 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky

Front-runner Rudy Giuliani increasingly claims the mantle of invincibility -- issues, schmissues, he's the only guy who can beat Hillary.

Judging from my recent cocktail party conversations, it's having an impact. But these same conversations reveal how much wishful thinking goes into the myth of Rudy the Invincible.

"I can't believe the American people will vote for that woman and her husband, a philanderer," one wealthy businessman told me.

"Who are you supporting?" I innocently inquired.

"Rudy," he said.

Can you spell "cognitive dissonance"?

Sean Hannity spends hours every afternoon criticizing those in the GOP coalition (such as Dr. James Dobson) who won't vote for Rudy; sure Giuliani may be wrong on gay marriage and abortion, but he'll be much better than Hillary because he'll appoint "strict constructionist" Supreme Court justices, right?More self-delusion. Bucking the tide by appointing judges with sufficient intellectual integrity to overturn Roe v. Wade is very hard. Ronald Reagan wanted to do it, and he got it right only once. Even President Bush put appointing his good friend Harriet Miers ahead of appointing a Sam Alito. Only when the base went ballistic did Bush back down, and only because he really is a conservative who cares about what conservatives think.

Rudy? Here's a safe bet: He will appoint a loyalist crony to the bench. When the base erupts, he'll tell the base where it can stick its objections. That's Rudy.

When he's on your side, you admire how fearlessly he will defend your views. When he's not on your side, he ruthlessly steamrolls over you. And on abortion? Don't kid yourself: Rudy is not on our side.

And the Supreme Court is not the only issue of concern to social conservatives. What will Rudy do if and when a resurgent Democrat majority tries to repeal the Hyde Amendment, which bans federal funding for abortion? Or for that matter overturns the federal definition of marriage in the Defense of Marriage Act? Will Rudy spend his political capital on vetoing either of these? He's made us no promises. Instead, he's counting on widespread self-delusion and cognitive dissonance to carry enough social conservatives to win the nomination.

My question is: What is he counting on afterward? Because, frankly, Rudy's electoral prospects don't look that good.

The once-powerful Reagan coalition had three legs -- strong on defense, less government and social conservatism. But the war in Iraq is not the same as the war on communism. It's very unpopular, and Rudy has become as identified with this unpopular war as John McCain. Meanwhile, he has abandoned social conservatism. What's left of the Reagan coalition for Rudy to run on? Naked fiscal conservatism? Conservatives are deluding themselves if they think fiscal conservatism by itself is a winning political coalition. Do they not remember the party of Gerald Ford? It was very fiscally conservative, socially moderate, and a permanent minority party.

The halo of "America's Mayor" is already slipping. For months, polls showed Rudy Giuliani leading Hillary Clinton in a head-to-head matchup, but by June of this year that lead had begun to evaporate. The latest poll, conducted in late September by ABC News and The Washington Post, shows Hillary Clinton beating Rudy Giuliani by eight points. Meanwhile, Mitt Romney trails Clinton in a head-to-head matchup in the latest Rasmussen poll by only nine points. One point better than Romney does not a convincing argument make for abandoning all principles.

And that's before Christian conservative leaders bolt the party, which has abandoned them on abortion, to run a third-party candidate.

A little political realism, please. If you think a candidate who breaks up the Republican Party is the best man to lead the nation, vote for Rudy. But don't imagine, it's going to be easy to elect him.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; giuiliani; hillary
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To: no dems

Duncan Hunter did excellent in the debate today (as he always does). But after the fact, all the pundits did was mention the Thompson, Rudy, McCain, Romney and Huckabee. It’s like Hunter, Brownback, Paul and Tancredo have already been ruled out by the media, so they won’t be discussed.

The media is basically choosing our candidates for us! This is so sad, especially because Hunter has a much better grasp on ALL of the issues. If he was called on during these debates, and discussed afterward, as much as the others, he’d be our nominee without question.


21 posted on 10/09/2007 8:58:20 PM PDT by Joann37
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To: Joann37

Hunter did do well


22 posted on 10/09/2007 8:59:07 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ken21
juli’s opportunity to beat hillary was in 2000.

Or 2006!!!

23 posted on 10/09/2007 9:00:24 PM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will ENERGIZE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Its called FBI files..and its why Rudy did’nt go for the Senate in 2000....Rudy should go govern Newyork State for a while ..and show us all the conservative judges he appoints..and them come back for the big one...until then...


24 posted on 10/09/2007 9:01:10 PM PDT by mo
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To: Ol' Sparky
Rudy simply can’t win the nomination. He will never get more than a third to a quarter of the vote. Not only because of the religious right, but also because of gun owners. I am always amazed how much the media focuses on the former but ignores the latter. Not one word in this analysis about the NRA. Believe me, that stunt with the cell phone did not erase the memory of Rudy’s attempt to sue gunmakers out of business. NRA members are all too aware that on the day he spoke to them that case was going to court in NY.

Second, nobody is going to be putting any Scalia/Thomas/Alito types on the Supreme Court while Harry Reid and co. run the Senate. They won’t even get confirmation hearings. The Rats will let the seats stay vacant rather than confirm a 5th solid conservative.

25 posted on 10/09/2007 9:04:07 PM PDT by Hugin (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
I will NOT vote for a liberal of either party to be President. Liberal Republicans are infinitely worse for the reasons Maggie Gallagher pointed out and for several other reasons.

I will NOT accept a scenario where the White is occupied by a liberal for eight years and one that will doom the GOP to minority status in Congress for a decade, which is exactly what electing Giuliani would do.

26 posted on 10/09/2007 9:05:07 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: Ol' Sparky
Sean Hannity spends hours every afternoon criticizing those in the GOP coalition who won't vote for Rudy

I like Sean a lot, but his rooting for liberal Rudy is driving me crazy.

I may have to tune Sean out until Nov 2008.

27 posted on 10/09/2007 9:05:07 PM PDT by RJL
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To: Graybeard58

Although the EITC was signed into law by Ford in 1975, it was substantially increased by Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II. Many (Reagan and Milton Friedman among others) have claimed that the EITC lifts people out of poverty and increases work incentives because it is connected to earned income.

I have serious doubts about these claims. The EITC has become another large welfare program with lots of fraud. The other forms of welfare have not been reduced with the expansion of the EITC. Receipt of the EITC does not reduce other forms of welfare. The EITC is now another large entitlement supporting the vote buying schemes of our wonderful politicians.


28 posted on 10/09/2007 9:05:51 PM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: mylife
I don't support him. But he can usually hold his own and give a pretty good accounting of himself. He could easily take on Hillary. But he won't be nominated. FDT will be nominated. He can beat Hillary because people can easily like him for one reason or another. It's difficult to find any reason to like Hillary; even with the cleavage.

FDT can also articulate a complete declarative sentence, even though he uses uh and um as a crutch too often.

29 posted on 10/09/2007 9:07:10 PM PDT by isrul (Lamentations 5:2)
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To: RJL
I may have to tune Sean out until Nov 2008.

I already have...I'll do the same with Rush if he starts pimping for Rudy.

30 posted on 10/09/2007 9:08:00 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: AmericaUnited

And someone better get a pair soon.


31 posted on 10/09/2007 9:08:02 PM PDT by lookout88 (proud special forces dad.)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; KlueLass; ...

:’) Of course, when the vote splits, Hillary will win anyway.

Paul and Tancredo hint at not supporting GOP nominee
The Hill | 10/09/2007 | Klaus Marre
Posted on 10/09/2007 8:04:07 PM PDT by advance_copy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1909003/posts

Who will be the VP nominee (irrespective of who winds up getting the nomination for President)?


32 posted on 10/09/2007 9:09:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, October 5, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Neu Pragmatist
Hillary beats Rudy because Rudy cannot bring the whole party to the voting booth.

If that's the case, then we will bow down to her thighness. If conservatives are truly that shallow then do we deserve what we get?

Unfortunately, many conservatives actually are fighting FOR a Hillary Presidency under the premise that America must be taught a lesson. I'm not on board with that yet.

33 posted on 10/09/2007 9:10:36 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: isrul

Fred has been a bit homespun so far and not clear.

He is beginning to clarify now.

I think he can do it.

Rudy and Mitt sound like lawyers, Fred sounds like Grampa

Huckabee is doing well in my estimation as well, not that he is my man


34 posted on 10/09/2007 9:12:08 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Ol' Sparky

SHE will do unrepairable damage on judges, health care, entitlements, energy, unions, and many other areas. If the choice is Rudy or HER, my vote is clear. Although I will not support Rudy in the primary, I will support the nominee after the primary. A non vote is a vote for HER disastrous policies.


35 posted on 10/09/2007 9:13:08 PM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: Ol' Sparky

I quit watching Hannity several months ago. I’m sick of him supporting a liberal like Rudy.


36 posted on 10/09/2007 9:14:06 PM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will ENERGIZE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: Ol' Sparky
We New Yorkers have already been through this with julie and hitlery. He quit and the left the hapless Lazio holding the bag.
37 posted on 10/09/2007 9:14:38 PM PDT by GinaLolaB
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To: Ol' Sparky

Lib verses lib lite= conservatives stay home.


38 posted on 10/09/2007 9:19:37 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: imahawk

Bad idea


39 posted on 10/09/2007 9:21:48 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Ramius

Teaching a lesson is nonsense. SHE will inflict permanent damage. I will never be on board with the “teaching a lesson” crowd.


40 posted on 10/09/2007 9:31:30 PM PDT by businessprofessor
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