Ron Paul supporters urged to attend MoveOn.org Rally !

RonPaul MeetUp Group ^ | 26 August 2007 | David Osborne

[txhurl]

Maybe not. Maybe we need to, like, watch this guy.

Whoaaaa.

[takenoprisoner]

It’s really more about the power of suggestion in a word. Here one must anticipate how what they post might be commonly perceived.

Again, it is one thing to disagree with the President’s policy, it is another to suggest to undermine him.

Goodluck hangin around. I personally like a no-nonsense straight-forward approach. But it’s not my call.

[txhurl]

Well, Mr. Karsten, I gotta hand it to you on the grass-roots effort. You are definitely a driven kinda guy.

And I pledge to track y'all's success or demise.

Once you drum up a committed base to vote in the primaries, and when Ron Paul does not place, to whom will Mr. Paul throw his support, if anybody, can you prognosticate?

[karsten5]

Ron Paul is leading in the straw polls of declared candidates: http://www.ronpaul2008.com/straw-poll-results/

So, I don’t believe that he will not place. We’re in this to win it.

[txhurl]

Well, alrighty then.

Keep us posted. Even if RP does make a negligible dent in the primaries, the data you collect will be interesting.

[takenoprisoner]

“Once you drum up a committed base to vote in the primaries, and when Ron Paul does not place, to whom will Mr. Paul throw his support, if anybody, can you prognosticate?”

I would wager that Dr. No will vote NO to all of the above.

[davidosborne]

UPDATE: It seems that the source has been "ammended" -- see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1886824/posts?page=296#296

[txhurl]

[elhombrelibre]

Another nutjob; it’s a prerequisite mentality for a Ron Paul supporter.

[elhombrelibre]

Listening to Petraeus over you is patronizing? You’re beyond arrogant. You couldn’t run a platoon, but you’re to be believed on Grand Strategy. No wonder you’re a Paulistinean.

[jveritas]

Your defeatism and ignorance of the enemy we are facing is disgusting and horrifying.

[billbears]

Your defeatism and ignorance of the enemy we are facing is disgusting and horrifying.

And your consistent tactic to avoid the argument with one line slander is expected.

[jveritas]

What argument? I have answered you defeatists so many times before on many other threads why we have to win this war and yet you come here and make yourself the intellectual who has the brains where in reality you are ignorant beyond belief about the islamic terrorist enemies who we are fighting. You even go back to the cursaders to back up your defeatism! Not only that but you tell us how intellectual you are by showing that you read two books. One of the book that you read is a conspiracy theory that blames President Wilson interference in WW I to the communist revolution in Russia, and the rise of Stalin and Hitler!

How can I argue with someone who is so ignorant about history and yet he presents himself as the "smart" and "intellectual" guy. How can I argue with somone who tells me that 1+1=5 and presents himself as a genius who knows it all.

It is very simple we must win this war or else the consequences will be worse than any nightmares we can imagine. I posted why so many times and I will post it again in the next post.

[jveritas]

We are not fighting in Iraq for the Iraqis, we are fighting for our freedom and our way of life and those of our children, grandchildren, and for many generations to come.

What will happen if we leave before we achieve victory?

The terrorists whether they are Al Qaeda or the Iranian and Syrian terrorist regimes or a combination of all of them will not only control Iraq but the whole Middle East and with it come consequences to the US and the West that is worse the most horrible nightmares we can imagine. The islamic terrorists will be emboldened beyond imagination and they will have millions of recruits and volunteers ready to fight and destroy the world to establish their seventh century islamic society and Caliphate. The islamic terrorists will use the hundreds of billions of dollars from oil revenues to conduct terrorists attacks that are hundreds of folds more horrible, more deadly, and more destructive than the 9/11 terrorists attacks, including the use of nuclear weapons. They will also use the oil weapon to blackmail the Western and the world economy and bring it to its knees.

If some terrorists dwelling in camps in Afghanistan with a limited budget and few volunteers were able to do 9/11 terrorist attacks, killed 3000 people and caused one trillion dollars in economic losses, imagine the incredible horrors that the terrorists can inflict on us if they control the whole Middle East and it vast revenues.

Any person who has a shred of patriotism and a basic common sense will realize that we simply cannot afford to leave Iraq before we defeat terrorism there.

[billbears]

One of the book that you read is a conspiracy theory that blames President Wilson interference in WW I to the communist revolution in Russia, and the rise of Stalin and Hitler!

Interesting. Conspiracy. I doubt you've read the book nor any other book that addresses the issues from a WWI perspective. And rather it's factual that if the vacuum that was created in Germany wasn't there, then Hitler wouldn't have had a place to rise from. It's factual that Britain and France had plans for breaking up the ME by 1916. It's factual that the US convinced Russia (through promises of money, materials, etc.) to stay in the war at the detriment of the Russian government. It's factual the Zimmerman telegram and Mexico wasn't a threat (well other than Wilson's interventionist policies into Mexico before WWI but I imagine you think that was 'right' as well). It's also factual that WWI was none of our concern.

"If Russia's Provisional Government had quit the war and negotiated peace with Germany in early 1917, we might never had heard of Lenin. He would have returned home to find Russians celebrating the end of the war. Soldiers would have been returning home and the process of reviving the economy would have begun ... Finally of course, the Czar was gone, and the Russian army would have been there to defend the Provisional Government, virtually ruling out prospects for a Bolshevik coup.

Alexander Kerensky and some others in the Provisional Government wanted Russia to stay in the war, and maybe they would have prevailed if they had decided on their own. But relentless diplomatic pressure from Britain and France, and diplomatic pressure and bribes from Woodrow Wilson, helped assure that the virtually bankrupt Provisional Government would stay in the war."

But please enlighten us. Your grasp of historical international affairs is second probably only to Bush..

It's factual that Wilson believed it was his right, no responsibility, to 'spread democracy' throughout the world. Much like another President....I imagine you believe Powell's facts about FDR's economic polices are conspiracies as well, since all good 'conservatives' welcome big government.

[George W. Bush]

Frankly, I’m a little overwhelmed because as of now there will be 29 of them and only 8 of us. Yet, I still believe they can be persuaded by the freedom message, and join the cause of liberty.

Good luck today, Karsten. Remember, photos are Good.

BTW, you know that at the large MoveOn events, they do sometimes have very militant Lefties, very hardcore, very in-your-face. At a small event, you're unlikely to face any violence since you are holding an anti-war position and promoting an anti-war candidate. I'm sure you've discussed a bit with your friends what you'll do if they have any hardened Lefties who try to intimidate you physically or get really ugly toward you. They might pick on the ladies in your groups, etc., trying to make you mad enough to take a swing at them.

It's unlikely you'll have a problem. But a few times, FReepers have faced threats and such when counterprotesting across the street from them.

BTW, don't mention you're from FreeRepublic. They don't like us at all.

[George W. Bush]

What a beautiful tribute to the golden era. I did not know about the salad days of FreeR, but I witnessed on TV some true conservatives standing up for truth and Constitution.

It seems unlikely we could field such an effort again. We've lost too many of the hardcore folks that were willing to take it to the streets. During various Xlinton appearances around the country, they never knew when or where FReepers would show up to protest their little socialism rallies.

Their supporters think they are conservatives, but they behave like big government brownshirts.

Yeah, the constant bullying here does get tiresome. But not as much as as the liberal big-government mindset. A lot of them have a leader fixation, much as we saw among the Dims toward Xlinton. For those types, it all comes down to our guy vs. their guy, strictly partisan hackery. And they don't really care when our guy turns into their guy.

Well, you can see why commercial outfits spend so much promoting their brand name. Amazing how people will respond to the mere labels. The label in fact determines the value of the contents. If the content is garbage, it doesn't matter that much. It is the label which is the real content.

[George W. Bush]

UPDATE: It seems that the source has been "ammended" -- see #296

I decided I should respect Karsten's privacy and I updated my screen grabs. So if you haven't grabbed your own copy, you'll have to go to Google's cache or the other online cache sites to find those again. Beyond that, Karsten does now have a much larger group as you can now see. He might make it to 12-15, not a bad FReep event.

[jveritas]

I supposed you quoted this idiotic statement form the stupid book: "If Russia's Provisional Government had quit the war and negotiated peace with Germany in early 1917, we might never had heard of Lenin"

Have you noticed the extreme "uncertainty" there is in this statement? What "if" is the argument of morons and delusional people who want to live in an alternate universe and out of touch with facts and realiy. President Wilson had nothing to do with the communists taking over Russia or the rise of Adolf Hitler, period. When someone says that WW I was not a concern of the US then he is a total lunatic and not worthy for discussion.

Anyway I made my facts about why we must fight and win the war on terror, you argued by presenting conspiracy theories, twisted facts, and laughable historical perpective. You can have the last word, and enjoy your conspiracy theories. It is insulting for me to argue with you because as I said before it is not an argument when someone tells you that 1+1=5 and he wants you to argue with him on this issue.

[stand watie]

GM, ma'am!

i wondered about the same thing, but stranger things have happened on FR.

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