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The Village Mentality Breeds Fiscal Idiots
North Star Writers Group ^ | July 16, 2007 | Matt Carrothers

Posted on 07/16/2007 3:15:06 AM PDT by John Galt 72

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1 posted on 07/16/2007 3:15:10 AM PDT by John Galt 72
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To: John Galt 72; Man50D; ancient_geezer; Hostage; Principled; groanup; phil_will1; Bigun
Eighty-five percent of voters in three Iowa counties voted against a ballot initiative to implement a 1 percent local-option sales tax increase.

THANK YOU!! A perfect example of why sales taxes are prefereable to taxation of income- because WE THE PEOPLE control the game. Beautiful!

Politicians hate this-- HAHA.

2 posted on 07/16/2007 3:19:41 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The FairTax and the North American Union are mutually exclusive.)
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To: John Galt 72
dubbed the “Destiny Tax” by supporters

Why don't these morons just cut the pretense and dub all these the "You're A Bad Person If You Vote Against This Tax"?

3 posted on 07/16/2007 3:22:51 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Bostonian, atheist, prolifer, free-speech zealot, pro-legal immigration anti-socialist dude.)
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To: ovrtaxt
WE THE PEOPLE control the game. Beautiful!

EXCEPT ... Here in GA, the 'tards usually vote FOR the local options "penny tax" (that's what they call it)

4 posted on 07/16/2007 3:24:01 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: John Galt 72

Nice good news about GA in there.

Good job, Iowans, for voting down another tax.

In my county, people voted in a local option sales tax, with the promise of a property tax freeze. Bad idea.

Two things have happened, that pretty well negate that. First, the relief only affected county general fund property tax, and not school tax, which has continued to increase. Second, while millage rate on the general fund property tax has stayed level, valuations have increased substantially, and taxes along with it.

Don’t believe promises of “we’ll reduce other taxes”, on a new tax, without really careful consideration.


5 posted on 07/16/2007 3:25:36 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: from occupied ga

Usually people vote for them here too. Thankfully, they have sunset provisions of 2 or three years. (It’s usually the retired folks, you know, the New Deal leftovers, who support them.)

In FL, our tax problems consist of counties who can’t control themselves and spray our money all over the landscape- building these walking trails that nobody is ever on, paying a zillion dollars a foot for school construction, you know, stuff like that.

Our property taxes are out of control, and people are leaving the state. The home building industry is at a standstill.

I think the tax orgy is coming to an end here too. People are pissed.


6 posted on 07/16/2007 3:29:39 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The FairTax and the North American Union are mutually exclusive.)
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To: FreedomPoster

See my previous post- we have the same experience.

Next time this issue comes up on a ballot, an organized campaign needs to be waged with all this historical evidence. The good news is, it doesn’t need to be really expensive. Did you see the comparative expenditures in DesMoines? 770K vs 3500 bucks? wow!


7 posted on 07/16/2007 3:33:17 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The FairTax and the North American Union are mutually exclusive.)
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To: ovrtaxt

Amazing what you can do, with email campaigns and a web site (I’m assuming that’s what they had), when Truth is on your side.


8 posted on 07/16/2007 3:36:15 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: John Galt 72
The saga of this proposed tax increase, dubbed the “Destiny Tax” by supporters, demonstrates the sheer ignorance ingrained in many elected officials of the factors necessary to create economic growth.

No it doesn't. To them higher taxes represent economic growth - theirs.

9 posted on 07/16/2007 3:44:20 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: from occupied ga

It’s not a “penny” tax - it’s a 17 per cent increase.


10 posted on 07/16/2007 3:46:34 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Freedom4US
It’s not a “penny” tax - it’s a 17 per cent increase.

Actually in our case it was a 20% increase, but not a single media outlet including boortz mentioned that. Also there was an EXTREMELY well financed pro tax campaign that spent easily in the vicinity of $1,000,000 to (successfully) get the weak minded to vote for it (radio advertising plus THREE mailers to every registered voter in the county) All of the teachers were told by their administration to vote for it as well.

11 posted on 07/16/2007 3:52:21 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: from occupied ga

One angle that I’m sure goes way back - and I haven’t heard a good explanation why nobody has ever challenged - ballots for stuff like this are always held in say, February, on a Monday or whatever, but never in tandem with a general election.

Our local “one cent” tax has brought in an extraordinary amount of money which is long spent I’m sure. Had a sunset provision in ten years but they managed to renew the tax 6 years early.


12 posted on 07/16/2007 3:59:22 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: ovrtaxt
, they have sunset provisions of 2 or three years

Ours sunset in 4 years;however, they keep getting reauthorized because some morons keep voting for them. It's the usual pack of government lies (we won't raise your property taxes - it's for the children - we NEED more "green space" etc) that gets touted at tax time. funny, but it's ALWAYS described as a penny tax, and then in the next sentence they say it will raise $500,000,000 over 4 years. Well to me that's a 1/2 billion dollar tax, not a penny tax. Half a billion dollars stolen from the county residents who worked for it and given to the county government to lavish on their buddies in the construction industry and real estate industries (whom I strongly suspect, but can't prove) are the ones who finance the pro-tax campaigns every time.

13 posted on 07/16/2007 4:03:01 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: ovrtaxt

I live in a Northern Iowa community with over 70 miles of bike trails which I regularly run (about 8 miles/day). I love them, and I appreciate their presence. One thing I have noticed about them though is that they are not very convenient for going to work to the area’s largest employer. I often wonder why the next trail construction project would not make a simple connection to the main trail along a winding road. It is difficult getting by the bikers on this winding road when I go to work.

Our trails are heavily used. I probably saw 30 different people in my 2 hour run yesterday.

Iowa is tax hell, but I would take it over Georgia (I lived in a neighboring state - Tennesee - for five years). My daughters are in a wonderful public school with some of the finest teachers you will ever meet. We sacrificed some to move back home, but I don’t have to worry about dogs everytime I go out to run (a constant problem in Tennessee).

We have a 1% options tax to maintain the roads in our county. We sort of need it given how hard the winter is on roads here.


14 posted on 07/16/2007 4:05:12 AM PDT by exhaustguy
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To: from occupied ga
Half a billion dollars stolen from the county residents who worked for it and given to the county government to lavish on their buddies in the construction industry and real estate industries (whom I strongly suspect, but can't prove) are the ones who finance the pro-tax campaigns every time.

If that's the case, it's backfired on them here. Homebuilding has stopped, and almost nobody is buying/ selling-- except to move out of the state.

15 posted on 07/16/2007 4:07:14 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The FairTax and the North American Union are mutually exclusive.)
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To: exhaustguy

In my neighborhood, we have hundreds of bike riders who go around in huge packs on Saturday mornings. It’s definitely annoying on these two lane roads.

For some reason, they don’t use the tax trails. I wish they would!


16 posted on 07/16/2007 4:10:52 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The FairTax and the North American Union are mutually exclusive.)
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To: exhaustguy
I lived in a neighboring state - Tennesee - for five years

TN has an 8.5 % sales tax and no income tax, so a round trip on you doll is 8.5%. here in ga with a 6% income and 6% sales it's a 12% round trip on your dollar.

My daughters are in a wonderful public school with some of the finest teachers you will ever meet

Sniff sniff I smell something rank here. If you like taxes so much, move to NY you'll really love it there.

17 posted on 07/16/2007 4:16:59 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: ovrtaxt
If that's the case, it's backfired on them here. Homebuilding has stopped, and almost nobody is buying/ selling-- except to move out of the state.

The ones who paid here are the ones expecting to get county government business.

18 posted on 07/16/2007 4:18:58 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: Freedom4US

“ballots for stuff like this are always held in say, February, on a Monday or whatever, but never in tandem with a general election.”

Going to have one this fall to fund a new school. Last time they sold the village idiots on the poor condition of the old schools, to which are now still being used for adult education.

Perdiction, even if they get this new school, when amnesty for illegal immigrants passes congress, they’ll want more tax dollars because of all the illegal immigrant’s ‘children’.


19 posted on 07/16/2007 4:20:03 AM PDT by Son House ( Democrats are Hostile to Tax Payers.)
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To: John Galt 72

” The fliers promised . . . trails! 300 miles of connected trails!”

These trails offer unlimited opportunities for littering, crime, trespass and destruction of private property.

Then when you call the sheriff after finding your property has been trashed, the deputies thrown up their arms and tell you they don’t have the manpower to patrol these crime magnets. And all the hippies and eco-fascists who push these trails are no where to be found picking up the tons of trash or repairing broken fences and replanting snapped trees.

We’re starting to solve the problem of these socialist trails here by simply erecting fencing across the trails. When these communists and their DNR lackeys come along and seize property for trails they forget one simple thing - paying compensation. (They want the property for free.) So far, the state courts are siding with the property owners and closing large sections of trails.


20 posted on 07/16/2007 4:33:22 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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