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To: Atlantic Bridge
That is democracy. Leaders who act against the will of their people are simply overruled. This is what happened to Aznar.

That is a completely lack of respect to the victims of 3/11, used to change the result of the Election.

NOBODY (and I mean really NOBODY) ever welcomed the terrorplots in Spain because of that. Such a claim is ridicolous.

Good to know. BTW, why did Chirac not negotiate the European Constitution in the December 2003 summit? What was he awaiting?

Interesting. The American administration once declared that they attacked Iraq because of their links to Al Quaida and 9/11.

Sure it is interesting: Iraq had nothing to do with Al Qaeda but Al Qaeda attacked Spain because of Iraq.

You are admitting Al Qaeda wasn't behind 3/11.

if pro-Aznar Spainards like you think that such BS is possible why is your (once) mighty leader such a friend of NATO and even the EU as long it developed the antiquated economy of Spain after its joining. You should not forget that Germany and France are both members in all those organisations and declared friends of Spain. It is grotty even think that such is possible. Shame on you!

First of all, I am not pro-Aznar. I am pro-Justice, I am pro-Life, I am pro-Freedom, I am pro-Truth. I know that to higly ideologized Socialists it is difficult to understand.

Second, France does not pertain to NATO military structure, it acts independtly in military operations.

Third, ETA is based in France. To kill Spaniards ETA uses French dynamite. ETA resuplies through Europe. No foreign Secret Services are needed to carry out the job. ETA is there for such tasks.

Just take into your consideration that Germany and its administration also could stand for a Europe based on freedom and justice and that your friend with his walrus moustache and those twins from poland might stand for the opposite.

That is not true, as it is proved by French protectionism, the blocking of a pan-European energy market by Electricité de France and the public owned French companies.

Germany is still a Socialist country, as it was built by Bismarck and then Hitler. For the Socialists, Freedom is in a second position. For them ends justify means, and the life, freedom and pursuit of happiness of single individuals have no influence in their plans.

Yes I am sure that Germany and its friends will prevail in the long term but I am also convinced that this is in the basic interest of Europe.

One of the characteristics of Socialism is that they claim to know what the best interests for everyone are. The French Establishment and its German allies know what is the best for every European. My Godness! Let people free and let them pursuit their own interests.

Do you have any proof for your backstabbing theory?

I repeat:
why did Chirac not negotiate the European Constitution in the December 2003 summit? What was he awaiting?
88 posted on 06/30/2007 6:00:21 AM PDT by J Aguilar (Veritas vos liberabit)
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To: J Aguilar
That is a completely lack of respect to the victims of 3/11, used to change the result of the Election.

It was the free decision of the Spainards to leave Iraq behind.

Good to know. BTW, why did Chirac not negotiate the European Constitution in the December 2003 summit? What was he awaiting?

I do not like Chirac, but sucessfull politics means taking the chances. During the reign of Aznar if would have been a waste of time to find intelligent solutions for Europe. After he was toasted Chirac simply took his chance. Such is life and you have my compassion.

You are admitting Al Qaeda wasn't behind 3/11.

Nope. It is you who believes into conspiracy theories. I never did.

I am pro-Justice, I am pro-Life, I am pro-Freedom, I am pro-Truth.

Hehe! We share something.

ETA is based in France. To kill Spaniards ETA uses French dynamite. ETA resuplies through Europe. No foreign Secret Services are needed to carry out the job. ETA is there for such tasks.

The secret of such terror organisations like ETA is their conspirative occurrence. They are everwhere and nowhere. French dynamite? So what? As far as I know they simply robbed some French quarries for explosives. They could have done that in Germany, Switzerland, the US or everywhere else too. It is indeed the case that the pressure of persecution in Spain is higher than in other countries since there those guys are known well. This is the reason why they sidestep into France or other European countries.

My Godness! Let people free and let them pursuit their own interests.

We do. If you want then you are free to leave the European Union. The new treaty gives your country the right to do so. A short bye-bye will be enough.

Your personal problem might be that most of your compatriots do not share your version of Spain. That is the crux with a free democratic system. It is nothing new that Aznar (although you are obviously no supporter of him) i.e. was a member of Franco's Falange and therefore is not used to the free will of his people. Maybe you have some analogy with him concerning the issue of freedom.

Nevertheless you should wash your mouth out. To suggest that France is the initiator of the bombings in Madrid (through ETA or whatever) is impertinent. Espechially if you do not have any proof for that statement. Chirac was no friend of Aznar, but that is no reason to kill roundabout 200 innocent people. Shame on you!

90 posted on 06/30/2007 9:07:22 PM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (In varieatate concordia!)
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