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Museum group sued by fellow creationists
Lexington Herald-Leader ^ | June 17, 2007 | Andy Mead

Posted on 06/17/2007 12:56:37 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger

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• For documents about this issue on the Creation Ministries International Web site, go to www.creationontheweb.com.

• For atheist Jim Lippard's blog, go to http://lippard.blogspot.com.

• For the Answers in Genesis site, go to www.answersingenesis.org.

1 posted on 06/17/2007 12:56:41 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger
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This has been brewing for a while, and I read about the suit itself about a week ago. I'll sit back and let the two sides fix this, but alas, I must say I'm inclined to side with CMI. When AiG split from them, there was no announcement of any sort. They did indeed say that Creation Magazine was "no longer available" and they then advertised their new Answers magazine.

Ken Ham's approach has been top-heavy all the way. (He even has a reserved parking space at work, and a reserved chair for meetings.)

Further, Ken Ham states "The Bible tells you not to have a lawsuit against your brother, so you can see who's obeying the Bible and who's not." My point was that if you read what Paul wrote about lawsuits among believers (1 Corinthians 6), it was to maintain the integrity and reputation of Christian believers by avoiding public disputes and settling quarrels privately. This dispute has already gone public, and AiG has made it pretty clear they're not interested in resolving the matter privately.

But I was also discussing the matter with my pastor this morning. (Originally, he had intended to show my promotional Creation Museum video for the church, but I approached him this morning with this article, and we both agreed it might be best to hold off.) He pointed out that these directions were for Christian brothers -- not one corporation against another. The lawsuit is no less shameful for it, but one Christian ministry should not be permitted to get away with telling untruths about issues of such monetary significance as magazine subscription, and then use the warnings against lawsuits as a cover to avoid being accountable.

Again, like with Kent Hovind, innocent until proven guilty. But also like with Kent Hovind, my cynical side agrees with the prosecution.
2 posted on 06/17/2007 1:09:28 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free.)
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That raises a question that perhaps many have. Are there any museums that promote and illustrate a Creationist version of science and archeology?


3 posted on 06/17/2007 1:09:28 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Um...the Creationist Museum mentioned in the article?


4 posted on 06/17/2007 1:12:35 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Any others?


5 posted on 06/17/2007 1:16:44 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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There’s one in Canada that opened recently. There’s a list of them here:

* 7 Wonders of Mount St. Helens Creation Museum — Silverlake, Washington
* A Key Encounter Nature Theatre and Planetarium — Key West, Florida
* Akron Fossils and Science Center Akron, Ohio
* Ark Museum & Dinosaur Park — Nashville, Tennessee
* Biblical Archeology and Anthropology Museum — Ridgecrest, Calfornia
* Big Valley Creation Science Museum — Alberta, Canada
* Creation Adventures Museum — Arcadia, Florida. Customized activities for small groups such as fossil digs and canoe trips.
* Creation Evidence Museum — Paluxy River, Glen Rose, Texas. It has a new building under construction.
* Creation Museum and Family Discovery Center — Cincinnati, Ohio. Currently under construction by the Answers in Genesis ministry
* Creation Studies Center — South Florida
* Creation Truth Foundation — Field Museum, Oklahoma
* Creation Truth Ministries Traveling Creation Museum — Alberta, Canada
* Genesis Expo on Portsmouth Hard of the UK by the Creation Science Movement
* Glendive Dinosaur and Fossil Museum
* Grand River Museum — Lemmon, South Dakota. September 2002 the Grand River Museum purchased a new building.
* IBSS Museum Project the Institute for Biblical and Scientific Studies
* Lost World Museum — Phoenix, New York
* Mt Blanco Fossil Museum — Lubbock, Texas
* Museum of Creation and Earth History — Santee, California by the Institute for Creation Research.
* Museum of Earth History — Eureka Springs, Arkansas
* Noah’s Ark Museum — Uzengeli Village, Turkey
* Wyatt Museum Wyatt Archeological Research Inc — Tennessee

The list is taken from CreationWiki - I don't know if Kent Hovind's "museum" is on there or not, and obviously some of their information is out of date. Were I not banned, I'd change it, but ah well.

6 posted on 06/17/2007 1:27:28 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free.)
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"The lawsuit is no less shameful for it, but one Christian ministry should not be permitted to get away with telling untruths about issues of such monetary significance as magazine subscription, and then use the warnings against lawsuits as a cover to avoid being accountable."

Well Dave, as I'm sure you are aware I have no dog in this particular race but from what little I know, it sounds like CMI might be "guilty" of a lawsuit, but Ken is guilty of theft, maybe not leagaly but ethically. So like you I'm inclined to root for CMI.
7 posted on 06/17/2007 1:28:35 PM PDT by ndt
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To: DaveLoneRanger
the latest outbreak, but it got personal before the AiG/CSF split

More at http://lippard.blogspot.com/2006/11/john-mackay-and-answers-in-genesis.html

8 posted on 06/17/2007 1:33:32 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy
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To: DaveLoneRanger
This reminds me of the Palestinians in Gaza.
9 posted on 06/17/2007 1:39:13 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon ("An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last." Churchill)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Sound to me like this will be a case of survival of the fittest creationists.


10 posted on 06/17/2007 2:03:44 PM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (Research by an eyewear firm, which surveyed 100 members of a speed dating club)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

If there was ever an illustration of a ‘tempest in a teacup,’ this is it! And a teacup that is just about ready to be rinsed out for the last time. :)


11 posted on 06/17/2007 2:06:35 PM PDT by Continental Soldier
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Tragic.


12 posted on 06/17/2007 2:57:28 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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I didn’t realize there were so many people in the world that believe this 6,000 year old earth nonsense.

“God, please save the fools and idiots of this earth who look on your creation and can see nothing more than a flat earth. Help them wake up to the fact that the Genesis account of the creation of earth was merely an allegorical story meant for a primitive man who could not understand the mechanisms by which you brought life into being. Please God shut these people up before they do more damage to the faith by driving more people into the arms of atheists who may not believe in you, but at least have eyes open to see the wonder of the science you created. Please open their eyes to the fact that the search for truth and knowledge are not against the will of God. Amen”


13 posted on 06/17/2007 3:22:18 PM PDT by sentis1
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“Sound to me like this will be a case of survival of the fittest creationists.”

LOL. Short......but oh so funny. Thanks.


14 posted on 06/17/2007 3:28:58 PM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

I’ve met Ken Ham, only briefly; it is a shame, he did seem genuine.

I am not taking sides!


15 posted on 06/17/2007 3:47:25 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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To: sentis1

I see you’re relatively new to Free Republic. Welcome.

If this story depresses you, I’m afraid the latest polls will only depress you further; a majority of Americans believe in creation and/or doubt evolution, and 90% claim a belief in God.

I find your philosophies on religion (your ‘prayer’ here, and other things you’ve written) to be rather...unorthodox.


16 posted on 06/17/2007 3:49:16 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free.)
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To: sentis1

At least we have something more reliable to believe than evolutionary thought which cant make up it’s mind on just how old we are...


17 posted on 06/17/2007 3:49:29 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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To: sentis1

Not only do we believe that God could have created the world in 6 days, He can destroy it in a matter of minutes. Good thing He’s giving us time to search for the truth. Ask Him, He’ll show you more than you can imagine.


18 posted on 06/17/2007 4:15:59 PM PDT by huldah1776 (Worthy is the Lamb.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Oh, Gosh! Creative differences?


19 posted on 06/17/2007 4:23:28 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (My Bumper Sticker ==> "Hang on! My other cell phone is ringing.")
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the suit claims the Kentucky group stole subscribers for its Answers magazine by claiming that the Australians' Creation magazine was "no longer available."

Not a good sign.

20 posted on 06/17/2007 5:27:13 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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