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To: Phantom Lord
As all Fair Tax opponents do, you lie about the tax rate. It is a 23% inclusive rate. Not a 30% exclusive rate.

That means exactly the same thing. A 23% inclusive tax is just another name for a 29.87% exclusive tax.

The FairTax FAQ explains this pretty well in its answer to question #47:

47. I know the FairTax rate is 23 percent when compared to current income and Social Security rate quotes. What is the rate of the sales tax at the retail counter?

30 percent. This issue is often confusing, so we explain more here.

When income tax rates are quoted, economists call that a tax-inclusive quote: “I paid 23 percent last year.” For every $100 earned, $23 went to Uncle Sam. Or, “I had to make $130 to have $100 to spend.” That’s a 23-percent tax-inclusive rate.

We choose to compare the FairTax to income taxes, quoting the rate the same way, because the FairTax replaces such taxes. That rate is 23 percent.

Sales taxes, on the other hand, are generally quoted tax-exclusive: “I bought a $77 shirt and had to pay that same $23 in sales tax." This is a 30-percent sales tax. Or, “I spent a dollar, 77¢ for the product and 23¢ in tax.” This rate, when programmed into a point-of-purchase terminal, is 30 percent.

Note that no matter which way it is quoted, the amount of tax is the same. Under an income tax rate of 23 percent, you have to earn $130 to spend $100.

Spend that same $100 under a sales tax, you pay that same tax of $30, and the rate is quoted as 30 percent.

Perhaps the biggest difference between the two is under the income tax, controlling the amount of tax you pay is a complex nightmare. Under the FairTax, you may simply choose not to spend, or to spend less.


109 posted on 05/11/2007 1:58:02 PM PDT by snowsislander
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To: snowsislander

Yes, but you will NEVER see the fairtax opponents mention the 23% aspect. That is their dishonesty. They also show it as an exclusive tax, when it is an inclusive tax.


121 posted on 05/11/2007 4:49:59 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: snowsislander
With a consumption tax, you decide how much you want to pay in taxes. With an income tax, the politicians decide what you must pay. The Fair Tax opponents never raise this point because they're afraid of freedom. Its just more comfortable having government be your omnipotent master. Nothing new about that - freedom itself brings uncertainty and we human beings crave security, even though its not good for us.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

162 posted on 05/12/2007 4:05:38 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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