Posted on 03/11/2007 12:27:20 PM PDT by Huber
This report was posted in mid-February, and has received no media coverage whatsoever. Jacobsen confirmed that the incident did occur, with an American Airlines spokesperson.
This is not meant to scare, but it probably will. Consider yourself informed and warned that the threat is real. This crew reported that they were not prepared that something of this nature could be happening to them.
Flt 62, Paris to MIA [Miami], a few weeks ago. 2 maybe 4 mid-eastern types causing minor disturbance from the get-go. Nothing that the FAs [flight attendants] couldn’t deal with, but, in hindsight, they seemed to be pushing the envelope. Cross-cabin activity, hanging out in the forward galley, complaining about everything, etc. Mid-Atlantic, the FO [First Officer, or Co-Pilot] called to return to the cockpit after his crew-rest break. One of the perps [perpetrators] was in the forward galley, was instructed by a FA to go aft, but didn’t. As the cockpit door opened, another perp suddenly appeared from around the galley, dropped his shoulder into FO while the first one got in the way of the FO’s attempt to block the other...here I’m not certain...so....wait for the movie.
FO (one of our first FFDO’s [Federal Flight Deck Officers*]) was about to pull his flashlight to use as a weapon in a counter attack, but thought better of it not knowing how many more perps he might have to fight, called “lockdown” to the FB [secondary “B” First Officer], inside the cockpit, who slammed the door. As soon as the perps heard the word lockdown, they retreated to their seats.
I’m not doing justice to the story, but, if not an attempt on the cockpit, this was a serious probe.
Crew considered divert, but since the threat diminished and seemed to be contained, they pressed on towards MIA. Flight was met in MIA by FBI, FAMS [Federal Air Marshal Service] (none aboard, by the way), AA [American Airlines] Security suits, etc. During the de-brief, which lasted several hours, the FAMs told the pilots that they would have “dropped” both of the perps with the first shove near the cockpit door. Perps claimed to not understand English, were detained for 4 days and deported, back to Paris, when they are free to attend Sunday school, tell their buddies of their Adventure and plan their next move.
Enjoying the story so far? It’s good we can’t carry guns on Int’l [International] trips, eh?
Upsetting is that we all have to learn of this, by happenstance. Why didn’t you and your last crew know of this? We took a delay yesterday while this FB detailed the entire event to my crew. Believe me, there were no disbelievers that the terrorist threat is real in my crew by the time we boarded.
I’m more than upset that this is still a secret! The FB is a man I’ve flown with often, trust completely and attended FFDO (Federal Flight Deck Officer) training with a year ago January. I hope I’ve presented his story accurately, but am certain that the basic details are very close.
Couldn't agree more...so why aren't we doing this now? Sounds like a perfect job for retired SEALS and Special Forces guys, doesn't it?
If I were on a flight with burly armed guys handing out peanuts, I would feel a lot more secure!
Ping
Yeah, I hear ya. We have a great place out in East County - with it's own shooting range.
I'd like to have a CC - but I don't know what that entails .. as far as how much training I would need.
I've not been frisked since I was an unruly teenager. I've never been asked if I had a weapon in my car, or on my person.
I'm not going to go anywhere with a concealed weapon that I know I'm not supposed to go. I'm not taking it out, unless I intend to use it. I'm not careless, nor stupid.
Therefore I've no need for a CC.....
FRegards,
Burly guys with bulges (from weapons of course) are a lot more fun to look at then anorexic women
;)
Therefore I've no need for a CC....
I dont' know where you live (Orange County, CA?), but there's more than one reason to get a CC. One important one is to let the powers that be know that a lot of their "constituents" feel strongly about being able to defend themselves. Just by getting one, you're sending a message to your government. Moreover, as the numbers of CC holders go up, others who are on the fence become encouraged to get theirs. I strongly encourage you to get one.
And yes, both my wife and I have ours.
GRRRRRR TRIPLE GRRRRRR
QUADRUPLE GRRRRRR
The suicidal idiots running so many things certainly deserve to rot in hell.
When in history have a people been so deliberately destructive to their own culture???
And, of course, the Jihadi's are only tooooo happy to help out!
GRRRRRRR
Have you noticed these kooks are getting screechier and more hysterical by the second in the last couple of months or less?
= = =
Those in hidden positions of power are setting things up.
Anyone learns anything and wakes up, they are sidelined, ignored, shamed into silence, threatened.
Good grief! Have we learned NOTHING ..????
Those in hidden positions of power are setting things up.
Anyone learns anything and wakes up, they are sidelined, ignored, shamed into silence, threatened.
I really think only about 1/3rd woke up then.
= = =
And then quickly went back to sleep.
Sometimes I think that there's something to all the allegations of mind numbing mind control lulling the population to sleep and compliance.
As far as CC - lots of information here:
http://www.packing.org/
Two very good general firearms forums:
http://thehighroad.org/
http://thefiringline.com/
I assume that the text is a large part of the "joke"?
Would you be offended if I were to respond, "BS" to that statement?
Thank you so much for the links. That will help my research a lot.
WTF?
The Jihadists declared war on us a long time ago, we are at war, but it is true the American people don't seem to know this, or care. I blame the media who were so intent on destroying the republicans that they made sure to belittle the war on terror in the eyes of the public.
The short answer to your question is yes. That's why I said this crew violated procedure.
If there is a Republican President, another 9-11-but-worse "event" will get another reaction like going into Iraq or less because there won't be any obvious targets. If a Democrat is president, it will get "steely resolve" and much mandating to the FBI to catch the perps and try them in a court of law. It will take 2 or 3 more events after that to wake up the president and Congress to the notion that their allies have betrayed them and are dangerous TO THEM. Then we will see a massive counterstrike. If the president is Mrs. Bill I expect we will throw nukes all over the place.
Ditto that!
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