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Anger on Display Among Conservative PAC Audience
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Posted on 03/04/2007 4:15:07 PM PST by Sub-Driver

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To: Sunsong

61 posted on 03/04/2007 5:42:46 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: hellbender
Look - I have not seen Rudy supporters going on Hunter threads to bash Hunter, maybe there have been exceptions that I don't know about - but clearly the main offenders are those who stalk the Rudy threads. If they come on a Rudy thread to bash Rudy - what do they expect?

That's the point: if you choose to personally insult and attack people - do you really think they are going to be nice to you and respect your views?

62 posted on 03/04/2007 5:44:47 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: Rodney King

Examples?


63 posted on 03/04/2007 5:45:36 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong

I don't think either side is going to change the others' minds. The battle is for the undecideds. If pointing out past actions and policies is what you consider "attacks" then what do you call the gross misrepresentation of Rudy as a conservative? It is a lie. Everyone knows it here on a conservative forum. Let's just leave it there for now. Neither side is going to convince the other. The more we argue it, the more divided we become. Give it a rest for about 10 months.


64 posted on 03/04/2007 5:45:55 PM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
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To: bjs1779
Guiliani dressed in drag??? That's it, he's out.
Next thing you know, HE'LL BE MAKING MOVIES WITH MONKEESS!!!!
65 posted on 03/04/2007 5:50:06 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (Math teachers know ALL the angles.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Hence, my tagline...


66 posted on 03/04/2007 5:50:08 PM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Bombard
A nice post. Here is the thing, I agree with you 100%. Particularly since I was lived in NYC from 1991-1995, so I know exactly what a good mayor he was. Unlike McCain, I don't hate the guy or anything.

My thing is simply that we must reverse the tide of socialism. No, I don't expect to slash the size of government overnight, but even holding it at inflation would be fantastic. Reagan tried and failed. The Gingrich congress actually succedded for two year. Then W, Delay, and Hastert ruined it all and were worse spenders than LBJ.

Quite simply, the nation can't survive when the government takes the place of the family. The War on Terror is of course important, but look what a generation or two of nanny-state has done to Europe? When the government emasculate's the family and culture, it loses all moral bearing and isn't even capable of dealing with the muslim invasion.

That is why it is critical that the President is a believer in small government.

Now, Giuliani may be that man. He has a lot of good supply siders on his campaign team. If he comes out strong on a flat taxish sort of thing, I'll vote for him despite the abortion and homo stuff. But, that's why it is important we not just give him our support. We need to demand his attention on the less government side.

67 posted on 03/04/2007 5:50:12 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King

Just what of their agenda did the socons get accomplished? We still have abortion on demand, we still have the cultural-Marxist agenda being forced on kids in government schools, the media spew filth into the air, and the country is being invaded by 3rd-worlders of all types, hardly any of whom are going to be conservatives of any variety. The people who had their way are simply a bunch of professional politicians, not adherents to some principled cause; they use socons the way they use the other components of their base; the same way Demonrats use blacks, union workers, and the rest of THEIR base. If the base was ever satisfied, how could they marshall them to vote? So they never fulfill any "Contract with America." The fulfill the contracts with the big-money contributors by giving them specific things they want--like cheap immigrant labor for agribusiness. Like free trade with China for big business.
Common people don't matter at all to them.


68 posted on 03/04/2007 5:50:32 PM PST by hellbender
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To: TommyDale
Let's just leave it there for now. Neither side is going to convince the other. The more we argue it, the more divided we become. Give it a rest for about 10 months.

Ok I promise not to go on Hunter or Brownback or Romney threads and attack. I will probably attack McCain - but only if his name comes up on a thread I'm on(s). How about you?

69 posted on 03/04/2007 5:52:03 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: LtdGovt
On the basis of what principle would someone refuse to support Rudy against Hillary? On the principle that handing the election to Hillary is the right thing to do?

On the basis of Rudy's own admissions that handing the election to Rudy is really no different than handing the election to Hillary.
70 posted on 03/04/2007 5:53:40 PM PST by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: Sunsong

I will avoid direct attacks, but if attacked I will open fire again. Fair enough?


71 posted on 03/04/2007 5:53:58 PM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
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To: hellbender
Just what of their agenda did the socons get accomplished?

Perhaps I should amend what I said to "a perception that they filled their agenda".

They didn't ban abortion because they can't. But they got a lot of it de-funded, etc. They got absitnence into the schools, they got faith-based initiatives, etc. Perhaps those are all small potatos compared to immigration and other things, but they were in the press a lot. As for the schools, I mostly didn't see socons trying to abolish the department of Ed as much as try to take it over for their own purposes.

72 posted on 03/04/2007 5:54:08 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Sunsong
Sunsong, unless my mind escapes me, we just went through an election where the Democrats won the house and senate because the conservative Republicans got upset with GWB because he and his staff failed to be a fiscal conservative (allowed the Dem's in Senate & Congress to spend excessive on pork and social programs) and of his view on immigration even though he has protected us against terrorist. Because of this decision, we now have to deal with Ms. Pelosi, Reid and Murtha. What I find hard to understand is how or why should I get behind a new Republican candidate that is strong on WOT, but a fiscal liberal? If we all felt this way, we should have joined forces and defeated the liberals in the last election. Shouldn't we expect and demand that the Republican party find and run a true conservative we can all rally behind? I understand that a true conservative is a rare animal in the existing field of potentials, but their job should be to locate and field this person. If we had somebody that was a uniter and a true conservative, the Republicans would get behind this person and they could (would!) win in 2008. Today, as far as I can see, Newt is as close as we have to this.

Semper Fi
73 posted on 03/04/2007 5:55:04 PM PST by Semperfi.Ex.USMC
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To: hellbender
"Just what of their agenda did the socons get accomplished?"

A majority in the Supreme Court.

74 posted on 03/04/2007 5:55:10 PM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
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To: TommyDale
I will avoid direct attacks, but if attacked I will open fire again. Fair enough?

Well it's a start. I take it you mean you will continue to frequent Rudy threads?

75 posted on 03/04/2007 5:56:09 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: LtdGovt
You would be trashing me if I said that I would not vote for Hunter in the general election, and rightly so. Because the WOT is crucial. Why can't the Hunter-supporters be like the Rudy-supporters and support the person who wins the GOP nomination?

Your vote belongs to you and no one else. If Mr. Hunter doesn't represent what you believe or disagrees with your beliefs on too many crucial points, I won't trash you for refusing to vote for Mr. Hunter. Even if your refusal to vote for Mr. Hunter causes him to lose the general election, your vote is yours, and I respect your right to vote for someone who represents what you believe.

You claim that the WOT is crucial. Maybe it is, but I see nothing to suggest that Mr. Giuliani will be a strong president in that war. He advocates amnesty for illegal aliens, and that amnesty would lead to more of them coming to this country regardless of what other policies we put in place to stop them. Our being lenient about overstayed visas played some part in the September 11 attacks. If we want national security, we must have border security, and Mr. Giuliani is weak on this issue.

If you don't like Mr. Hunter for reasons related to policy and issues, why don't you suggest another candidate? I'm nominally supporting Mr. Hunter right now, but I could change my mind as the field changes. Former Governor Gilmore of Virginia has formed an exploratory committee. Being governor is a stronger qualification than being a Congressman. I don't know where Governor Gilmore stands on the issues, but if he is pretty good on the important issues, I might be able to support him. If you can support him and not Congressman Hunter, maybe he would be a good compromise candidate for us. Newt Gingrich wouldn't be my first choice, but I could probably support him. I haven't ruled out supporting Governor Romney, and I would likely vote for him even if I didn't volunteer for him in the campaign. I might even be able to vote for John McCain if he had a good enough running mate, but I'm uncertain about that vote. Why can't we continue looking for a good candidate who will be broadly acceptable instead of trying to force someone on those who cannot support him?

Bill

76 posted on 03/04/2007 5:56:21 PM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: Semperfi.Ex.USMC
"...unless my mind escapes me, we just went through an election where the Democrats won the house and senate because the conservative Republicans got upset with GWB because he and his staff failed to be a fiscal conservative..."

Your mind escapes you. The GOP ran RINOs and turned their backs on social conservatives, offering them no viable candidates except for a few. They also did not offer support for many regional districts, specifically those affected by illegal border invasions. Any candidate who did not support GWB's wussy position on illegal immigrants was shunned, and most lost.

77 posted on 03/04/2007 5:58:12 PM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
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To: hellbender

the contract with american contained proposals on abortion, gays, and guns?

The Fiscal Responsibility Act
The Taking Back Our Streets Act
The Personal Responsibility Act
The American Dream Restoration Act
The National Security Restoration Act
The "Common Sense" Legal Reform Act
The Job Creation and Wage Enhancement Act
The Citizen Legislature Act
The Family Reinforcement Act
The Senior Citizens Fairness Act

Now I will grant you that the Bush administration may have waffled on a few things.

But look at the list of issues above - the most vocal part of the base isn't interested in what the candidates have to say about them, they are second tier issues now. Look at the anti-Rudy threads here, all anyone wants to talk about are abortion, gays, he wears a dress, etc.


78 posted on 03/04/2007 5:59:40 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Semperfi.Ex.USMC
First, thanks for your service.

Second, my understanding is that we lost in '06 - not because conservatives stayed home but because independents moved their support from the GOP to the dems.

Third, my understanding is that Rudy is a fiscal conservative - just not a social conservative. But that he can be talked into a deal to not oppose the social agenda and to appoint strick constructionist judges.

79 posted on 03/04/2007 5:59:53 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: Rodney King

The really hard core conservative Christians don't want the Federal government taking over public education. Many of them have so little trust of government at any level that they choose to home-school. I'm afraid you're assuming that G.W. Bush is representative of Christian conservatives. I can remember when Jeffrey Hart said W wasn't a conservative, but a Christian socialist, and there was a storm of protest and abuse here on FR. Now I don't think there are many Bushbots left. Bush looks good only by comparison with the Demons, and as Gingrich said, we can't win any more just by being "not as bad" as the other party. That's one reason I'm against Rudy. He's more of the same...not "one of ours", but we're supposed to swallow him because he's a slower poison than Hillary.


80 posted on 03/04/2007 6:01:03 PM PST by hellbender
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