Posted on 03/03/2007 11:30:16 PM PST by FairOpinion
McCain-hating and Romney-bashing have been pretty much equal-opportunity pastimes around CPAC this year.
Rudy, on the other hand, has gotten mostly a free pass. And, today, his speech was filled to capacity with folks waiting in the hallway to get in. There were also dense crowds around all the TVs in the exhibit halls. The charm offensive is strong, indeed. People just love listening to him.
I took some video of conservatives quite mesmerized by the Mayor, so I'm working on getting that up. They were doing crowd control outside the hall in which he was speaking. Many of those folks crowding the hall are pro-life, social conservatives who just can't resist him, despite the policy differences. I don't think Rudy will remain unattacked, as he was this week, but the feel-good factor is big for him, no matter what kind of conservative he's talking to.
Today, he talked about leadership, security, toughness, and Reagan to a crowd who's looking for a leader in the image of Reagan in a time that needs security. It was a good pitch, and there were more people listening than have listened to anything at CPAC this week.
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So you imply pharmboy is a liar, you denigrate Baptists and apparently all religous conservatives and want me to commit suicide. All as "a necessary defense mechanism against the paranoid element." Hmmmm.
Still and all, no sale. Not Rudy. Not now, not never.
I note that you haven't touched one iota of the Conservative-agrument-for-Giuliani-non-social stuff I posted earlier, so I guess you're only interested in posting "the truth" when it gibes with your agenda.
Social views aside, you cannot deny the man's conservative streak.
Neither manners nor skills at debate appear to be on your menu of strengths. You seem to either be ignorant of the GOP Platform or want it changed. As for the ping, since it was to a pro-life/Catholic list, I thought they might be interested in seeing the attitude of the folks trying to change the Platform.
If it is actual debate you want, show me where your claim about Hunter and your boy Rudy agreeing on abortion has any basis in fact? Can you?
Social views aside, you cannot deny the man's conservative streak.LOL, really?
"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani
Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it.
Rudy Giuliani
But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:
"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."
If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.
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"[Quite] frankly, you have to understand the fact that Rudy Giuliani was a McGovern Democrat, he was endorsed by the Liberal Party when he ran for Mayor. In his heart, he's a Democrat. He's paraded all over this country with Bill Clinton and, in fact, he's very comfortable with Mario Cuomo. But what Rudy Giuliani wants is to be bailed out in the city, in the mess he's in, and everybody understands very clearly in politics that they struck a deal, that Mario's going to continue to be the big spender, save Rudy the options of raising taxes by pouring money statewide into the City of New York and bailing it out." --
Interview with Michael Long, Chairman N.Y.S., Conservative Party, CNN Crossfire, October 25, 1994
Hmm, I imply that Pharmboy's story doesn't hold the complete ring of truth, and that if I had to guess the "rule change" he's talking about has something to do with an additional piece of paper that he neglected to get, or perhaps putting his signature in the wrong space on the form, or perhaps he neglected to make himself aware of the ever-changing hours of the gun registry/application office at One Police Plaza to renew his permits (you can be denied a permit in NYC for having as much as single a typo on your form, you know).
As for denigrating anyone: my wife is one of them snake-handling baptists (and some of them DO handle snakes, you know), or at least she was until her church kicked her out because her first husband was a fillandering bigamist (my, that was mighty fair, and Christian, of them, wasn't it?).
I never wanted you to commit suicide, I just pointed out that was one of your options. The choice to do so, is, of course, all yours, and I'm sure you need no prompting from me if you are of that particular mindset. Don't get your panties bunched over it. But of course, since hyperbole is the only weapon in your arsenal, so I guess I shouldn't have expected you to pick up on sarcasm.
And fine, you don't have to vote for Rudy, and I never asked you to. I've just given you a gentle nudge in the direction of fairness: you can certainly make the Rudy-is-no-conservative argument with regards to his social views, but it is disingenuous to not give the other side of the story, i.e. that on non-social items of the conservative agenda, he's far more conservative than many who have claimed the honor in recent memory. Including Reagan, btw.
Shouting out lies doesn't change the facts. Rudy supports abortion at all stages except (finally as he runs for POTUS) PBA. Hunter opposes all abortions except to save the life of the mother. Hunter supports the GOP view, Guliani supports the Clinton view.
Great, Quote Michael Long, the man who couldn;t pick a winner in one-horse race, and who sat at the head of a dysfunctional conservative party that couldn't make up it's mind which millionaire to run in most years for which state office (and who somehow always wound up with Ron Lauder or that other jerk who runs the Buffalo Sabres).
Michael Long is to conservative politics what Lance Ito is to serious jurisprudence.
"...he's far more conservative than many who have claimed the honor in recent memory. Including Reagan, btw."
Nonsense. He has about as much conservatism as Hillary. He does look better in a dress though.
"The National Journal’s rating system put him at 56 percent conservative and 44 percent liberal on economic issues in 1996 and assessed him as liberal by 59 to 40 percent in looking at his social issues votes."
Sorry, he fails the test(s). And while you don't care about social issues, many do. He clearly fails the test.
"He does look better in a dress though."
I was right: pre-occupied with fear of homosexuals!
Gee, it was a spoof! How many times does it need to be said? Does none of you have a sense of humor? Milton Burle became a billionaire wearing a dress, and I'll bet you look back on Uncle Milty as a prime example of family entertainment from the "wholesome" and "moral" American past.
Uncle Milty was a poofter? Really? LOL, you are the one obsessing over that stuff.
Fine, he fails YOUR test, but he doesn't fail a great many other's. Oh, and by the way, screw the National Journal. Using th National Journal to make this case is like pointing to the "101 Greatest Communists List" published by the Lenin Press.
Unfortunately, that sort of admission (that Rudy is certainly far more conservative on non-social issues) scares the bejesus out of you. Deal with it, and spend your time on more productive pasttimes, since political commentary/activism doesn't seem to be your strong suit. You can't be an honest broker of political information when you purposely ignore the entire record.
I would suggest a career in the democratic-party propganada machine. You're very good at at only finding information that bolsters your argument, ignoring inconvenient facts, and pulling nonsense out of your posterior.
Really? Rudy Giuliani is GAY? Where did you get this "fact"? Certainly not "from Rudy's mouth", the very source you've specified for much of your nonsense.
For someone who claims to be arguing from fact, you certainly have made an incredible leap on this one.
Like I said, a career in the democratic slime machine awaits you.
Where did I ever say Rudy was gay? You are having trouble reading.
No, I read just fine, thank you. You implied it when you responded "Uncle Milty was a poofter?". Now you're going to fake ignorance when you were doing such a good job of projecting it without the tried-and-true method of agruing "I-didn't-say-that-in-so-many-words-when-I-implied-it" trick.
Nice try though. That was chapter three in the Dr.-Goebell's Berlitz-in-he-Bunker School of Propaganda textbook, wasn't it?
Your sense of humor is as deranged as your reading skills. As for the rest of your pejoratives, you seem to be projecting.
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