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To: ChicagoHebrew

I am curious about what you said about the tanakh ...are you saying there is no such thing as a sin offering or a guilt offering in your scriptures? The story of the scapegoat is not in there...is the Christian Bible so far off the mark ...even though it was translated from the hebrew manuscripts...? There is no talk of sin offerings in Exodus? Didn't the Lord spend an awful amount of time in the book of Numbers telling the Hebrews how and what to sacrifice...and why did the priest go into the holy of holies once a year? Wasn't that to make atonement for the sins of Israel? Didn't that include the sacrifice of animals?

The tanakh does not have this in it??

Moses said to Aaron, "Come to the altar and sacrifice your sin offering and your burnt offering and make atonement for yourself and the people; sacrifice the offering that is for the people and make atonement for them, as the LORD has commanded."Leviticus 9:7

or this?

"Then the priest is to sacrifice the sin offering and make atonement for the one to be cleansed from his uncleanness. After that, the priest shall slaughter the burnt offering. Leviticus 14:9

Not being able to read Hebrew...I am curious as to how these scriptures relate to the Hebrew text?

and I am also curious as to wheteher you have read the New Testament to see if they line up with anything in your Torah. If you haven't, I think you'd be surprised.


40 posted on 03/01/2007 10:11:07 PM PST by leenie312
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To: leenie312; AnalogReigns; Wycowboy; familyop
The verses you've identified describe sacrifices (that cover redemption for unintentional sins, not intentional sins.

There are many, many different types of sacrifices (incidentally, the vast majority of sacrifices weren't animals, they were offerings of grain, incense, oil, flour, and first fruits), and each had their own purpose, including:

Daily offerings given as a sign of continued, perpetual devotion to God;

Thanksgiving offerings -- presented by people to give thanks for recovering from major injuries and illnesses;

Peace offerings -- voluntary offerings meant to seal contracts, give thanks, support the Priests and Temple;

Nazarite offerings -- given following completion of a Nazarite vow;

Pesach -- performed in remembrance of the Exodus from Egypt;

First fruits offerings -- effectively a religious tax designed to support the Temple and Priesthood;

Were their sin and guilt offerings (such as in Leviticus 9:7 )? Yes -- but they functioned only to provide atonement for unintentional sins, as is made clear in the earliest compilations of Temple law and rituals, Jewish tradition, and Tanakh commentary.

Redemption for intentional sins was always through prayer, charity and good works (see, among other things, Psalms 32:5, 51:16-19; 2 Chronicles 7:14).

The idea that the sacrifical system atoned for all sin is totally foreign to Judaism. It is a Christian myth created to justify their belief that the death of Jesus (a man who, yes, accomplished basically nothing) had somehow "supplanted" the need to do good works and follow the law.

56 posted on 03/02/2007 2:09:57 AM PST by ChicagoHebrew (Hell exists, it is real. It's a quiet green meadow populated entirely by Arab goat herders.)
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