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Yes, Rudy Giuliani Is a Conservative
FrontPage magazine ^ | January 25, 2007 | Steven Malanga

Posted on 02/28/2007 9:56:17 AM PST by Peach

Not since Teddy Roosevelt took on Tammany Hall a century ago has a New York politician closely linked to urban reform looked like presidential timber. But today ex–New York mayor Rudy Giuliani sits at or near the top of virtually every poll of potential 2008 presidential candidates. Already, Giuliani’s popularity has set off a “stop Rudy” movement among cultural conservatives, who object to his three marriages and his support for abortion rights, gay unions, and curbs on gun ownership. Some social conservatives even dismiss his achievement in reviving New York before 9/11.

An August story on the website Right Wing News, for instance, claims that Giuliani governed Gotham from “left of center.” Similarly, conservatives have been feeding the press a misleading collection of quotations by and about Giuliani, on tax policy and school choice issues, assembled to make him look like a liberal.

But in a GOP presidential field in which cultural and religious conservatives may find something to object to in every candidate who could really get nominated (and, more important, elected), Giuliani may be the most conservative candidate on a wide range of issues. Far from being a liberal, he ran New York with a conservative’s priorities: government exists above all to keep people safe in their homes and in the streets, he said, not to redistribute income, run a welfare state, or perform social engineering.

The private economy, not government, creates opportunity, he argued; government should just deliver basic services well and then get out of the private sector’s way. He denied that cities and their citizens were victims of vast forces outside their control, and he urged New Yorkers to take personal responsibility for their lives.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservativemyasp; fauxconservative; fiscalconservative; goombahyah; gungrabbingrino; liberalwithr; malanga; rino; rudy; rudyforpresident; rudygasm
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To: Revenge of Sith
"On the issue of race, Giuliani is actually to the right of the other Republican candidates since he isn't afraid to antagonize Al Sharpton and other black leaders."

I remember years ago, when the press complained that Rudy was essentially not sufficiently self-abasing regarding blacks and their complaints about his administration, he refused to back down, maintained his composure, and replied simply "I don't relate to people in that way," meaning racially. I have always admired him for that.

181 posted on 02/28/2007 12:33:08 PM PST by Irene Adler (')
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To: SF Republican

I don't even expect Jesus to protect me 24/7. If I start backing baby killers I won't expect it at all!
Our American freedom is a gift from God, doesn't He expect us to cherish and protect it?
If you do not believe in a republican form of government, with a strong constitution, what are you?


182 posted on 02/28/2007 12:40:27 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (BUAIDH NO BAS, JUST SAY NO TO RINO!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
If you do not believe in a republican form of government, with a strong constitution, what are you? I do believe in a republican form of government. I did not list everything I believed in.
183 posted on 02/28/2007 12:45:11 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: Spiff

> MAYOR GIULIANI AND SPEAKER VALLONE ANNOUNCE CITY LAWSUIT AGAINST GUN INDUSTRY

Wow. He's quite a conservative. Getting in bed with lawyers AND defying constitutional freedoms? Lovely.


184 posted on 02/28/2007 12:56:03 PM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: SF Republican

The Constitution is there to protect me from "do-gooders" such as Rudy. I have heard all about his "good intentions", and how he had "good reason" to do this, that or the other. It is still a fact that Rudy does not see The Constitution as a limit to his ambitions. This is a fatal flaw, to me.
The road to Hell, and tyranny, are well paved with those "good intentions".


185 posted on 02/28/2007 12:56:04 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (BUAIDH NO BAS, JUST SAY NO TO RINO!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Then don't vote for him and do what you can to keep him out of office.


186 posted on 02/28/2007 1:01:05 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: Peach

Media may love him but he's not going to get the average Jane/John Doe conservative votes.


187 posted on 02/28/2007 1:32:41 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Peach
Thanks for moving the party so far to the right that even a fairly representative number of conservatives are turned off.

Darn shame that true conservatives are polluted/invaded by pretenders. FR comes to mind.

188 posted on 02/28/2007 2:01:22 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: SF Republican

I will never willingly give up my freedom because urbanites
refuse to protect themselves, and demand that government do it for them. This is the case in a nutshell, and if you are offended, well, sorry about that. Just don't call yourself a Republican.


189 posted on 02/28/2007 3:05:00 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (BUAIDH NO BAS, JUST SAY NO TO RINO!)
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To: Peach

Except for the part where he's a gun-grabbing, baby-killing fruitloop who's OK with gay marriage, he's a real conservative; big time.


190 posted on 02/28/2007 3:07:47 PM PST by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: JollyMonSing
Hillary or Rudy? Which is the lesser of two evils?

I've been asking myself that same question; which is why I'll be voting for my Cocker Spaniel if the GOP insists upon forcing such a decision. 

191 posted on 02/28/2007 3:12:23 PM PST by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Im not voting for some Rino that sues gun factories. Not even vs Hillary at least a hitlery win would really mobilize conservatism and kill off the rest of the rinos.


192 posted on 02/28/2007 3:17:48 PM PST by omega4179 (Hitler had a "Rockstar" personality and was an articulate speaker.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Not offended just enjoy reading silly little posts, thats why I am here, conservatives are fun to play with. They have this air of superiority (for example it is you that can decide what I call myself) it is laughable.


193 posted on 02/28/2007 3:19:39 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
By the way, I never asked you to give up your freedom, second, I have never asked the govt to protect me, in fact I served 4 years in the US Marine Corps protecting you and your freedom. I was in your neck of the woods on vacation last week. Cocoa Beach and the swamps near Kissamee, neat area, too much fried food, too many fat people, and pretty flat, but the sun was warm.
194 posted on 02/28/2007 3:33:05 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: SF Republican

You would love it over at DU, with all the other liberal metrosexual elitists. Do I need to find a link for you, or do you want to search for yourself?
On second thought, you probably already know where it is!
You are beginning to smell like a troll.


195 posted on 02/28/2007 3:35:33 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (BUAIDH NO BAS, JUST SAY NO TO RINO!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
I do not smell at all. I have been here for 4 years. Simply because you do not like what I think there is no need for name calling. That is the entire problem with this site now. Once upon a time people could have different points of views but now people like you have to get nasty. Its okay I guess, things change. I am no metrosexual elitist (I think because I am not sure what that is).
196 posted on 02/28/2007 3:41:04 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: SWAMPSNIPER; Jim Robinson
It is a troll ... note the comment above: "... conservatives are fun to play with." You are being played with ...

These rooting for rootie threads are beginning to smell more and more like the pro-choice republican wing trying to alter the party to a liberal stance rather than just going to bed with democrats. Of course, we also have lying trolls who like to 'play with conservatives'.

197 posted on 02/28/2007 3:41:36 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
It is a troll
I am hardly a troll, I have been on this site since about 98 and signed on for 4 years. Check my post. Now, you may not like my thoughts but it is getting a little tiresome hearing people call people names. Why can you people not grow up and discuss issues rather than be so childish? I do not know whom I will vote for in the primaries, this site is obviously anti-Rudy but some people have open minds and are willing to let the contest play out. Please bear with us, we may not be as enlightened as you are. In the mean time, please stop calling me names.
198 posted on 02/28/2007 3:51:26 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: SF Republican

Well, Hell, I'm a troll too! I won't tell you what my DU post count is, or what they call me there, I just hang around and dump a little turd, anytime I find a flat spot!
I've been too smart for them to catch me. Hell, I may end up as a moderater, over there, LOL, they ain't too bright! One thing you ain't is a REPUBLICAN!
There are some "issues" that are not matters of opinion, they are matters of fact! Done deals, engraved in stone, stop wasting your time, and mine! I've told you,about 1000 times,that you can have my guns when you find enough testosterone to take them. I may, of course, be blowing smoke,but maybe I ain't. How curious are you? Are you really a Male, or just a pretender?
I don't care how long you've been here, you stink like a troll, just run back over to DU, and see if you are smart enough to catch me!
Your momma may have told you how smart you are, she didn't lie, she just didn't have anything to compare to!


199 posted on 02/28/2007 5:02:20 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (BUAIDH NO BAS, JUST SAY NO TO RINO!)
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To: PhiKapMom; Peach
Interesting. You two and I will have heated arguments about Rudy, and that's good. You take your position, I take mine.

I don't object to the tenor or intensity of the interchanges; I object to the imputation of motives (you should have been me during the Iraq war debate in 2002-2003 for a "good" time), the name calling, and, really, the use of acronyms and barely misspelled words to feign "disguised" profanity. And that's from someone who privately uses profanity far, far too much.

It's sad. Really sad. We're becoming like DU, I suspect, except that I've never been to that site.

200 posted on 02/28/2007 5:19:23 PM PST by jammer
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