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According to the Qur'an (4:157-158), Muslims believe that Jesus was taken to heaven bodily and didn't die.

If they claim that this is Jesus, wouldn't that run counter to the Islamic belief that Jesus is now in heaven - bodily?

So many times "scholars" seem to make claims about Jesus.

I wonder why the MSM generally (not talking about CBS News here) seems to characterize these "findings" or "scholarly" claims about Jesus as undermining Christian doctrine/belief, instead of saying that the supposed findings or scholarly claims undermine Islamic belief about Jesus?

The answer is obvious.

1 posted on 02/26/2007 3:50:04 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist

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2 posted on 02/26/2007 3:51:56 PM PST by Millicent_Hornswaggle (Retired US Marine wife)

I wonder if they ever considered the thought that by putting this out (which supposedly undermines Christianity and Christian belief) that they may have unwittingly attacked Islamic beliefs about Jesus.

3 posted on 02/26/2007 3:52:53 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)

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Its more likely that it contained Fred and Wilma Flintstone than Jesus.

I love these people. They spend their time, money and effort putting down Christians then make "Amazing discoveries" like this one and oh, by the way, try to INVENT that He was married and had kids too!!

Brilliant!

6 posted on 02/26/2007 3:58:29 PM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)

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12 posted on 02/26/2007 4:11:36 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)

To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Only CBS News could report this fraud as "News".

They claim DNA "proves" their claims. Did any of our "Journalists" bother to ask them HOW they got a sample of Christ's DNA?

18 posted on 02/26/2007 4:17:52 PM PST by MNJohnnie ( If they say "speaking truth to power,"-they haven't had a l thought since the Beatles broke up)

To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I doubt the Moslems are too happy with this sort of nonsense by a Hollywood movie maker.

Heads will probably roll.

26 posted on 02/26/2007 4:24:23 PM PST by muawiyah

To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Who was Hanun?
Why should I care that his grave was found?

31 posted on 02/26/2007 4:32:12 PM PST by fogofbobegabay

To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Honestly, I don't think that a Muslim even care about it. To them, Muhammad has more honor and credence than Jesus. To them, Jesus didn't even die on the cross but Judas took his place.

32 posted on 02/26/2007 4:39:40 PM PST by Sister_T (The Axis of Idiocy: The LameStream Media, The DemocRATS and the "peaceful" anti-war moonbats)

To: Laissez-faire capitalist

News of this type is a blessing. It shows where idiotic man's wisdom runs to; and puts Jesus at the center of debate. 2007 is the wrong year in human history to debate where his body is. The optimium debate was three days after his death, because He told everyone that He would rise on the third day. It was neither the Roman or the Jewish religious rulers' interest to have a body disappear.

Here are portions of the record of history:

Mat 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
Mat 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

Mar 16:6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

Luk 24:23 And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.

Joh 20:8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.
Joh 20:9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.

So where is HE?

Rom 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

The implication is obvious; I pray all that read this post ask Him to forgive and to save your soul from an eternity without Him (Jn 3:16).

Christ loves you.

35 posted on 02/26/2007 4:46:29 PM PST by Salvavida (Restoring the U.S.A. starts with filling the empty pew at a local Bible-believing church.)

To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Okay, where are the Christians out there beheading, seething and outraged?

39 posted on 02/26/2007 4:58:44 PM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)

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Another attack on Christianity from Discovery/History/TLC.

You might as well get your religious doctrine and church history from Comedy Central.

43 posted on 02/26/2007 5:20:52 PM PST by George W. Bush

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Sunday, February 25, 2007, Yawn and double yawn,

http://www.beliefnet.com/blogs/JWalking/2007/02/yawn-and-double-yawn.html

The bottom line from the whole, "Hey, I found Jesus' bones in a box!" thing by James Cameron - yawn and double yawn. There really isn't anything new - although I have no doubt that there are those who will make it seem like new news. This is a rehash of old accusations made about a tomb discovered 27-years ago. The best piece I've seen about it comes from The Jerusalem Post. Here it is in full: The Israeli-born, Canadian-based filmmaker Simcha Jacobovici is reigniting claims, first made over a decade ago, that a burial cave uncovered 27 years ago in Talpiot, Jerusalem, is the tomb of Jesus of Nazareth and his family. At a press conference in New York on Monday, the two-time Emmy winner Jacobovici and his team - including Hollywood director James Cameron - will detail claims that of 10 ossuaries found in the cave when it was discovered in 1980, six bear inscriptions identifying them as those of Jesus, his mother Mary, a second Mary (possibly Mary Magdalene), and relatives Matthew, Josa and Judah (possibly Jesus's son). Their documentary will be screened this week in the US, UK, on Channel 8 in Israel and around the world. The producers are said to have worked on the project with world-renowned archeologists, statisticians and DNA specialists. But Bar-Ilan University Prof. Amos Kloner, the Jerusalem District archeologist who officially oversaw the work at the tomb in 1980 and has published detailed findings on its contents, on Saturday night dismissed the claims. "It makes a great story for a TV film," he told The Jerusalem Post. "But it's impossible. It's nonsense." Kloner, who said he was interviewed for the new film but has not seen it, said the names found on the ossuaries were common, and the fact that such apparently resonant names had been found together was of no significance. He added that "Jesus son of Joseph" inscriptions had been found on several other ossuaries over the years. "There is no likelihood that Jesus and his relatives had a family tomb," Kloner said. "They were a Galilee family with no ties in Jerusalem. The Talpiot tomb belonged to a middle-class family from the 1st century CE." A spokeswoman for the Israel Antiquities Authority had no comment herself on the documentary and referred inquiries to Kloner, who no longer works for the IAA. The spokeswoman did say, however, that the IAA has loaned out two of the ossuaries that were found in the Talpiot tomb for display by the filmmakers at Monday's New York press conference. She said it was a routine procedure to lend out such artifacts provided the borrowers complied with the necessary handling, transport and insurance requirements and that it did not signal any IAA authentication of claims made in the documentary. Kloner said the IAA had been "very foolish" to agree to the loan. "The left hand there doesn't know what the right hand is doing," he said. The Daily Telegraph reported this weekend that the 10 ossuaries removed from the tomb when it was first excavated "were taken initially to the Rockefeller Archaeological Museum outside the Old City of Jerusalem. Nine were catalogued and stored but the tenth was left outside in a courtyard. That ossuary has subsequently gone missing." But Kloner said the IAA routinely left ossuaries in the courtyard if they were not inscribed and were unremarkable, since it had no room for them all "under our roofs." He added: "Nothing has disappeared." The Jacobovici documentary comes more than 10 years after similar speculation about the so-called Jesus family tomb made world headlines, prompting a London Sunday Times feature entitled "The Tomb that Dare Not Speak Its Name" and a BBC documentary. The assertion that the ossuaries found in the Talpiot tomb were those of Jesus of Nazareth and family members was branded by The Sunday Times at the time as an archeological discovery "that challenges the very basis of Christianity." The makers of the documentary are refusing to discuss its content prior to their New York press conference.

44 posted on 02/26/2007 5:26:49 PM PST by Garvin (As an American, I want to win in Iraq!)

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Jesus (Yeshua) was not an unusual name.

No doubt there were many "Jesus" graves.

46 posted on 02/26/2007 7:24:12 PM PST by Salman

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The really sad thing about this farce is that many uninformed will believe it to the peril of their souls. The church began only fifty days after the resurrection of Jesus. Whether you believe in the resurrection or not (and I do) the church began with a huge number of people really believing that Jesus was raised. If his body was in a tomb, and sometimes later his body was joined with that of his mother, and then a brother, etc., sufficient people would know about it for the Jews who were hostile to Christianity to produce the body. Then they could have said, "Here is your messiah". They could have used the remains of Jesus to squelch the movement. The reason they did not is because THERE WERE NO REMAINS. And there still aren't. And a common objection is, and a good one at that, "Where did the authors of this hoax get Jesus' DNA?"

47 posted on 02/26/2007 7:27:32 PM PST by Designed

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One thing which I have not seen anyone question. If this theory were to be proven. It would mean that Jesus, who had been flooged and crucified, survived the crucifixion and then went on to live a normal life, get married and have a kid in close proximity to all who had seen him die on a cross. Now does that make sense how that makes any sense? Nobody would recognize Him? Nah...Cameron is a typical Hollywood exploiter. He exploited the Titanic. and now he attacks our faith.

60 posted on 02/26/2007 8:06:09 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775

63 posted on 02/26/2007 10:11:14 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)

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64 posted on 02/26/2007 10:12:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)

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And all but one of the Apostles was put to death for a supposed hoax?

How many times has that happened in human history? Maybe, never?

This "Jesus tomb" is utter nonsense, but the "da Vinci Code" has already proven that there is an enormous market for anti-Christian nonsense. This isn't surprising, since people who want to absolve themselves of responsibility for their sins have an enormous incentive to get rid of Jesus the divine Law-giver.

66 posted on 02/27/2007 5:50:16 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)

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