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Running the Republican Numbers on Rudy (50% won't support liberal, 57% don't know Rudy is)
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| 18 February 2007
| Tom Bevan
Posted on 02/18/2007 2:31:51 PM PST by Spiff
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To: All; Spiff
"We've got a lot of work to do to educate them."
We need to write letters to editors, and call talk shows, and let conservatives know that Rudy stands for this:
Rudy is against the 2nd amendment, is pro-abortion, including pba, pro-illegal immigration, pro-special rights for gays, and even believes in MAN-MADE global warming? He is a lib!
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posted on
02/18/2007 6:08:39 PM PST
by
Sun
(Vote for Duncan Hunter in the primaries. See you there.)
To: dangus
However, I am dismayed that he stated opposition to the PBA in the Senate. He didn't just state his opposition to the partial birth abortion ban, he told George Will in 2000 that his support of partial birth abortion itself was as "firm" as the rest of his positions. He accepted a "champion of choice" award from NARAL. He celebrated the 25th anniversary of Roe v. Wade with the NARAL ghouls. He has even stated that he'd pay to have his own grandchild aborted. That's not a moderate "pro-choice" position. That's leftist fringe radical pro-abortion stuff right there.
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posted on
02/18/2007 6:10:47 PM PST
by
Spiff
(Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
To: dangus
First off, Reagan, like Giuliani, supported abortion as the "law of the land," when he represented California.Not a valid comparison. Rudy, unlike RR, was a nomially pro life Catholic who renounced that position and embraced abortion on demand to get elected as Mayor in New York City.
Whereas RR came to believe that his signature was a mistake Rudy has come to believe in unfettered abortion with the additional bonus of having taxpayers pay for it.
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posted on
02/18/2007 6:15:07 PM PST
by
jwalsh07
(Vote for Duncan!)
To: M. Thatcher
So those 57% of Republicans who don't know anything about the man's positions are fully engaged in a vigorous debate?
What exactly have they been debating? Certainly not candidates and where they stand on anything.
To: DocH
Partial-birth abortion is a non-issue, since Congress passed a law and President Bush signed it. And Rudy supports that law. That makes the issue moot.
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posted on
02/18/2007 6:21:06 PM PST
by
LtdGovt
("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
To: DocH
It's not either-or, I want to know what Spiff's priorities are. Is hating pro-choicers a higher priority for him, than defeating the Islamic menace?
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posted on
02/18/2007 6:21:51 PM PST
by
LtdGovt
("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
To: Spiff
How could anyone vote for a U.S. president who not only would tolerate such a holocaust, but who has spent his entire elected political career SUPPORTING IT?
It's ridiculous to refer to it as a 'holocaust', especially if you are aware of the etymological roots of the wors. Supporting a man who would defeat terrorists is a no-brainer for me. The War on Terror is the most important issue. We must defeat the terrorists and the religion of Islam, crush them, destroy them, eradicate them!
By time the next president is inaugurated you can add another 2.5 million human lives ended by abortionists in the United States.
Who is worse, a terrorist or an abortionist?
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posted on
02/18/2007 6:24:36 PM PST
by
LtdGovt
("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
To: LtdGovt
Supporting a man who would defeat terrorists is a no-brainer for me. The War on Terror is the most important issue. We must defeat the terrorists and the religion of Islam, crush them, destroy them, eradicate them! Almost every Republican in the race right now would fight the WoT with every bit as much conviction as Giuliani. Most do not possess the same awful character flaws and baggage as Giuliani. Again, you're offering another false choice. You're saying that we either pick a pro-abortionist or someone who won't fight the War on Terror. There's at least a handful of Republican candidates right now who will do BOTH. They need their chance and Giuliani's travelling deception show isn't going to allow that. Giuliani's atrocious views must be exposed to the Republicans who are unaware of them so that they may make an educated choice in the primary election.
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posted on
02/18/2007 6:28:17 PM PST
by
Spiff
(Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Oh, I see you are one of those "once people know Rudy's horrible positions, they'll all reject him like I do!" people.
I don't expect those arguments to get any more traction than they already have.
To: LtdGovt
It's ridiculous to refer to it as a 'holocaust', especially if you are aware of the etymological roots of the word. The Shoa was not the only holocaust. The word refers to any massive loss of human life.
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posted on
02/18/2007 6:30:26 PM PST
by
Spiff
(Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
To: dangus
>>>>First off, Reagan, like Giuliani, supported abortion as the "law of the land," when he represented California. When Reagan signed the 1967 Therapeutic Abortion Act, he said he did it out of sympathy for the victims of rape, incest and for those women who may be facing health risks or worse, death from childbirth. Reagan did not sign it out of political expediency. There was no flip flop in it. This was one of the first actions taken in the modern abortion battle. An action Reagan regretted within a year and a decision that haunted him for the remainder of his life.
The three exceptions rule is not the same as abortion on demand. Rudy Giuliani has made countless public statements over his entire public career supporting a womans right to choose death, and to kill her unborn child using abortion as a birth control measure..... 95% of the time! Give me a break. Reagan's position on abortion was the complete opposite of what Rudy`s abortion stance is today.
Reagan held a conservative position that life was precious and the unborn should be protected and defended in life by the elected servants of the people. Rudy`s position is far leftwing extremism. On the abortion issue Rudy agrees with the Clinton's, Algore, Barack Obama, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, John Edwards and most of the Democratic Party. On the abortion issue Rudy disagrees with Ronald Reagan, GW Bush and the millions of prolife Americans. Many of them who are FReepers. You don't make Rudy`s candidacy look better by taking cheap pot shots at the Reagan legacy. Rudy remains a liberal. Rudy is NO conservative. Rudy has little in common with Reagan. And Rudy has absolutely nothing in common with Reagan on the abortion issue. PERIOD! Understood?
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posted on
02/18/2007 6:32:01 PM PST
by
Reagan Man
(Conservatives don't support, promote or vote for liberals.)
To: Spiff
Almost every Republican in the race right now would fight the WoT with every bit as much conviction as Giuliani.
And I will vote for them. I will even vote for your candidate, if he wins, despite his dubious record on fiscal issues and free trade.
There's at least a handful of Republican candidates right now who will do BOTH.
Unfortunately, they would not make strong general election candidates. Rudy will. He will destroy Hillary. You should realize that strong convictions on the WOT are of little use if the candidate does not get elected.
Giuliani's atrocious views must be exposed to the Republicans who are unaware of them so that they may make an educated choice in the primary election.
Don't worry, they will. But I don't know whether true conservatives will care. And I'm confident that the GOP will choose a decent candidate, like Rudy, Romney or Sanford.
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posted on
02/18/2007 6:33:41 PM PST
by
LtdGovt
("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
To: Spiff
The Shoa was not the only holocaust. The word refers to any massive loss of human life.
No, I was not referring to the Shoah, but to the Greek roots of the word. There is a reason why the Shoah is called the Holocaust.
And I wouldn't put a fertilized egg on par with a 30-year old Jew. That's insulting.
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posted on
02/18/2007 6:35:11 PM PST
by
LtdGovt
("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
To: Reagan Man
An action Reagan regretted within a year and a decision that haunted him for the remainder of his life.
Please provide the evidence for your claim that he regretted the decision. It seems sound to me, women who have been raped are the last people you want to punish by forcing them to give birth to a rapists' child.
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posted on
02/18/2007 6:36:27 PM PST
by
LtdGovt
("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
To: LtdGovt
>>>>>Who is worse, a terrorist or an abortionist? How many American deaths has there been from terrorism in modern times?
How many American deaths has there been from the abortion procedure in modern times?
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posted on
02/18/2007 6:37:28 PM PST
by
Reagan Man
(Conservatives don't support, promote or vote for liberals.)
To: LtdGovt
It's ridiculous to refer to it as a 'holocaust', especially if you are aware of the etymological roots of the wors.One of the modern definitions of the word refers to "any mass slaughter or reckless destruction of life".
How does the etymological derivative of the word disqualify the above definition from describing the act of killing nearly 50 million children? Seems like a perfect fit to me.
To: Spiff
Are you willing to prostitute your values a little, or a lot in order to keep a democrat out of the White House?
I support selecting a republican candidate at the national convention who I can vote for without prostituting my core values.
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posted on
02/18/2007 6:38:48 PM PST
by
fightu4it
(conquest by immigration and subversion spells the end of US.)
To: Reagan Man
Just answer the question, will you? Are you going to say that an abortionist is worse than Osama bin Laden?
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posted on
02/18/2007 6:39:03 PM PST
by
LtdGovt
("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
To: M. Thatcher
Wow, you were able to label me and put irrational words in my mouth all in one sentence. Pretty good.
See you in Minnesota.
To: Spiff
Try running the numbers on the DumboRats for a change. Last time I looked we were out of poer and picking on our own is pathetic!
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posted on
02/18/2007 6:39:56 PM PST
by
Doc Savage
("You couldn't tame me, but you taught me.................")
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