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China pushes back against Paulson
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Posted on 12/14/2006 3:57:31 PM PST by maui_hawaii

Beijing (FORTUNE) -- Senior U.S. officials, led by Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson, arrived inside the Stalinist-style Great Hall of the People Thursday morning, briefed and breakfasted and eager to offer guidance to Chinese leaders on how to become a "responsible stakeholder" in the global economy.

But Vice Premier Wu Yi had other ideas. Like an impatient schoolmistress, she opened this historic gathering with a lecture. Her talk was one part history lesson (China has 5,000 years experience as a global citizen) and one part 21st century civics lesson (the goal is a "socialist harmonious society"), with no sign that her regime sees any need for major economic reform.

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To: Wuli
In other words, I can be an @ssh#le right back to her.

A little nose to nose, straight up in your face kind of talk will get a lot more agreement from China.

21 posted on 12/14/2006 4:41:13 PM PST by maui_hawaii (kamakazees only do it once)
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To: Wuli
She is the epitome of a Chinese feminist.

And a not very pleasant one I might add.

In the states we get the super hardcore feminazi types....China has those too...only worse ones.

They are vicious and won't respond to being nice. They only respond to power.

22 posted on 12/14/2006 4:43:42 PM PST by maui_hawaii (kamakazees only do it once)
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To: maui_hawaii
Re #17

I think Chinese expected that these guys have not yet got the picture and can screw them around for a while. It is just the matter of how far they can push the envelope.

China can spot the empty bluff better than anybody else. They do it themselves all the time. For example, "We are so big and mighty. If you touch us, you would have the hell to pay...." even when they are about to implode.

Could U.S. man-handle China as Manchus or Mongols? I doubt it. It is more likely that U.S. will drag Chinese economy with it as its economy hit the bad recession. Then, U.S. could hurt badly but China could enveloped in a conflagration, after their financial system shatters.

U.S. should play N. Korea's game. Threaten to go down and drag everybody else with it. It will bring shudders to many potential rivals and adversaries of U.S..

23 posted on 12/14/2006 4:46:13 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: Wuli
If the male dominated Chinese society won't mess with this woman...and will promote her into such a position of power that says a lot.

She could pull the trigger on a real life execution and not flinch and would probably crack a smile doing it.

She is tougher than nails...and we send people over there trying to make friends?????

24 posted on 12/14/2006 4:46:39 PM PST by maui_hawaii (kamakazees only do it once)
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To: maui_hawaii
Re #24

Yeah, some 6'4" circus bear like Paulson.

25 posted on 12/14/2006 4:48:35 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: Wuli
I think Wu is normally a male name.

First name is the family name, as I'm sure you know.....but I can never tell in the western press if they've already reversed the name in the article. -----

26 posted on 12/14/2006 4:49:26 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Re #23

Correction:

but China could be enveloped in a conflagration

27 posted on 12/14/2006 4:50:23 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: maui_hawaii

We need a POTUS who will cut-off China from the American consumer/dollar unless some real changes occur. Sales to the entire rest of the world would not make up the difference and they know it; and the needed increase to the rest of the world would be resisted in many places as well.

It is a myth of our own globalists that we need China. Every single US operated factory in China could be duplicated in the Asian nations all around China, with no increase in cost.

Since Bush 41 everyone has been operating on the myth that our economic embrace of China will lead to political reforms. It hasn't. It has only made the Chinese Communist Party more powerful and more entrenched in an economically expanding China, based on the US consumer. That myth has to exposed - "the emperor has no clothes".


28 posted on 12/14/2006 4:54:07 PM PST by Wuli
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The US needs to send a one man show over there. Give them a list of demands.

Then do a whole lot of completely irrational but vicious behavior that will directly impact and hurt the communist party. Crush them economically and otherwise. Replay the Opium Wars and remind China every single day why we are kicking their ass on every single news channel.

China's terms are this... either China wins or the relationship goes violent.

Its a zero sum, either or game.

We gotta play on their level and see who wins the game of chicken.

We have to be the Chuck Liddell here.

29 posted on 12/14/2006 4:55:14 PM PST by maui_hawaii (kamakazees only do it once)
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To: sam_paine

I am pretty sure they have reversed it because Yi/Li is a very common Chinese surname/family name (actually very common in Korea as well).


30 posted on 12/14/2006 4:56:23 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli
It is a myth of our own globalists that we need China. Every single US operated factory in China could be duplicated in the Asian nations all around China, with no increase in cost.

DING DING DING!!!!!

There is our card right there.

Move and let them sink.

31 posted on 12/14/2006 4:57:32 PM PST by maui_hawaii (kamakazees only do it once)
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To: Wuli; sam_paine
Its not reversed....

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Wu Yi, female, 63, Han nationality, a native of Wuhan, Hubei Province, was born in November 1938. She joined the Communist Party of China (CPC) in April 1962 and began to work in August 1962. She graduated from the Oil Refinery Department of the Beijing Petroleum Institute where she had majored in oil refinery engineering. She is a university graduate and a senior engineer. She is now a member of the Political Bureau of the CPC Central Committee, State Councilor and member of the Leading Party Members' Group of the State Council.

1956-1962 Studied at the National Defense Department of the Northwest Polytechnic Institute and the Oil Refinery Department ofthe Beijing Petroleum Institute majoring in oil refinery engineering

1962-1965 Technician of a workshop and staff member of the Political Department of the Lanzhou Oil Refinery

1965-1967 Technician of the production division, Production and Technology Department of the Ministry of Petroleum Industry

1967-1983 Technician, deputy chief and chief of the technology section, deputy chief engineer and deputy director of the Beijing Dongfanghong Refinery

1983-1988 Deputy general manager and Party secretary of the Yanshan Petrochemical Corporation

1988-1991 Vice-mayor of Beijing

1991-1993 Vice-minister of Foreign Economic Relations and Trade, Deputy secretary of the ministry's Leading Party Members' Group

1993-1997 Minister of Foreign Trade and Economic Cooperation and secretary of the Ministry's Leading Party Members' Group

1997-1998 Alternate member of the Political Bureau of the CPC Central Committee, minister of Foreign Trade and Economic Cooperation and secretary of the Ministry's Leading Party Members' Group

1998-2002 Alternate member of the Political Bureau of the CPC Central Committee, State Councilor and member of the Leading Party Members' Group of the State Council

2002- Member of the Political Bureau of the CPC Central Committee, State Councilor and member of the Leading Party Members' Group of the State Council.

She was an alternate member of the 13th CPC Central Committee and member of the 14th and 15th CPC Central Committees. She is a member of the 16th CPC Central Committee and of its Political Bureau.

32 posted on 12/14/2006 5:05:43 PM PST by maui_hawaii (kamakazees only do it once)
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To: maui_hawaii

Ms. Wu it is, then!


33 posted on 12/14/2006 5:20:33 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: maui_hawaii
...(China has 5,000 years experience as a global citizen)...

News to anyone who has spent any time in the "Middle Kingdom."

34 posted on 12/14/2006 5:50:26 PM PST by CDB
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To: maui_hawaii
All this has already been pre-ordained, we'll be in line for our weekly rice rations soon enough...

"This regionalization is in keeping with the Tri-Lateral Plan which calls for a gradual convergence of East and West, ultimately leading toward the goal of one world government. National sovereignty is no longer a viable concept."

Zbignew Brzezinski, National Security Advisor to President Jimmy Carter

35 posted on 12/14/2006 5:55:38 PM PST by Verax (""Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated - Planned Parenthood President,")
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To: CDB

China was the most isolated country in the world just about not more than 30 years ago...


36 posted on 12/14/2006 6:30:31 PM PST by maui_hawaii (kamakazees only do it once)
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To: maui_hawaii

And for about 5,000 years. What an obvious bold-faced lie by Ms. Wu Yi. Treasury Secretary Paulsen and del. should have reminded her of an previous Chinese Emperor (K'ang Hsi, of the Manchu Dynasty?) telling a visiting British del. that "You foreigners have nothing we need." Global citizens, indeed.


37 posted on 12/14/2006 6:49:27 PM PST by CDB
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To: maui_hawaii

bump for later..........


38 posted on 12/14/2006 7:09:10 PM PST by indthkr
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To: CDB
China has 5,000 years experience as a global citizen an aspiring global hegemon.

There, now it makes sense.:-)

39 posted on 12/14/2006 7:51:05 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: maui_hawaii; Jeff Head; ALOHA RONNIE; Travis McGee; JohnHuang2
(the goal is a "socialist harmonious society"), with no sign that her regime sees any need for major economic reform.

Paging Thomas Friedman, and PM Barnett...and GHWB.

File Under....Panda-Huggers Debunked out of the Mouth of the Dragon.

40 posted on 12/14/2006 8:11:55 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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