The SU-27
Posted on 11/07/2006 5:04:59 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
The SU-27
Possible Sino-Pak mil-cooperation Ping!!!
The biggest problem with Chinese fighters: You shoot one down, but minutes later you feel like you still need another.
I wouldn't be so dismissive.Their level of training & logistics management have improved significantly since the 80s.The SU-27/30 is a formidable threat for most of China's potential rivals given its combination of agility as well as range.
Another worrying factor is their development of new stand-off munitions.Even if they may not be in the same class as Western ones,it's a huge leap for them.
Raptorbait
Looks like a lot of U.S. design ideas were copied....
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The Su-27 is an indigenous Soviet design, and is worthy of respect, if for no other reason than the fact that the Soviet engineers managed to create a craft with near-US-fighter capabilities (the Su-27 is probably the world's most agile aircraft, despite being damn big, google Pugachev's Cobra) using 1950s technology. The Chinese picked a good base to start from, but as they lack the massive aerospace program the Soviets built, they will have a hard time improving much on the design anytime soon. That being said, this thing is SO raptorbait.
"Russians & Chinese are not in hurry, they have enough time and money to eventually catch up and even overcome technology used in Raptors"
One raptor, in competitive tests against six F15's destroyed all six before it was even seen. And the F15 was viewed as the best fighter in the world.
The Raptor makes the worlds top fighter aircraft obsolete.
It is probably being built with the coorperation of Sukhoi.
Both China and Russia have developed impressive stand-off munitions, air to air missles, and SAM's. They can also track stealth fighters like the F-22.
The worst part is that this stuff could hand up in the hands of Iran.
Not all of China's adversaries will get to operate the Raptor.
Cheaper and easier than doing it themselves.
The ugly underside to this story is that the Chinese industrial capabilities that make this possible, are the very same ones that get outsourced from the US.
There's always been a national security aspect to outsourcing ... and here it is.
Don't think they can yet effectively track the F-22,let alone have the means of downing it at long-range.
Not to denigrate your post too much, but the fact is that "To Track" = "To Make One's Self Into A Target".
"To Track" = "To Make One's Self Into A Target"Magnum...
There just ain't that many Raptors. There aren't going to be that many Raptors. And Raptors can't operate from carriers - they need bases - which can be reached by the missiles China is building.
We not going to be basing 'em on Taiwan, I think. And Japan is a heck of a trip to get into action. And I wonder what the PRC's response to US fighters operating from Japan would be?
The Su-27/30 is a very capably aircraft and, assuming equal pilot skills, more than capable of defeating the F-16 and F-18s that it is likely to face. If the PLAAF has enough of 'em them, we're in for a hard time.
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