Who Are These Girls, Are They OK?

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[geopyg]

"I hope they put that monster to death. He deserves to die!"

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I'm hoping this photo is something he just found somewhere, cuts out the girls - just "happens" to leave it in his cell in the hopes of staying alive because "he has other victims that he can identify to help bring closure to the families".

Thats what they did with the Ridgeway guy 9Green River Serial killer) here in Seattle - gave him life in prison so he would talk. Now defense attorneys are using that to get their clients off the death penalty. "Well, Ridgeway was way worse than MY client..."

so he can tell where

[SirJohnBarleycorn]

I don't think that's an armrest her chin is on, I think that is the seat itself. Could be a minivan, or it could be the front seat of a passenger car with the driver's seat reclined and we don't see the pillar post just off to the right because of the angle of the photograph.

[SlowBoat407]

My other reason for thinking it's a mini-van - why would the girl in front be in the driver's seat (unless it was shot in England)?

[SirJohnBarleycorn]

She's not in the driver's seat. You can see part of the driver's seat in the lower right part of the photo, the seat has been reclined.

[M. Thatcher]

Oh, you are a sweet one. I am 52 years old, and grew up in Metro New York. When I was a tiny kid, my little playmates, mostly daughters of first-generation Italian immigrants, all had their ears pierced when they were infants. In my elementary school, which was a true melting pot of many cultures, many, if not most, of the young girls from Italian and Hispanic immigrant families had pierced ears. I learned it was simply traditional in their backgrounds. There's absolutely nothing sexual or negative — or primitive, as your photo implies — about it.

Get over yourself.

[SirJohnBarleycorn]

I'm not interested in your 1950s elementary school, melting pot, blah blah blah.

My point is that allowing pre-teen girls TODAY, when we have so many sexual predators preying on children, to dress like prostitutes and wear adult-style jewelry is not helping the situation.

I'm sorry you're so fixated on your 1950s childhood that you can't grasp that simple point.

[sandbar]

>>>Letting pre-teens wear adult-sytle jewelry and dress like prostitutes is not enticing to a child predator? And you know this for certain? Okay, lady, sure. >>>

It will not change the behavior one iota. As I said (hey, be glad you don't) you do not understand the mind of a child predator. If they wanted AN ADULT, they would be with an ADULT. Why do you think they have porn with young women dressed LIKE CHILDREN? If a man is not a pedophile, the sight of a young preteen in adult clothing will not make him want to have sex with that child. Period.

[bobby.223]

a small hand held blow torch will make his singing a bit off key but he WILL sing.

[SirJohnBarleycorn]

Your simplistic, superficial speculation as to what goes through the mind of a child sex predator is not a sufficient basis for parents to feel comfortable about letting their pre-teen daughters dress in a sexual manner.

[Gay State Conservative]

As we found out here, a missing child is not always treated as missing. If they are considered a runaway, the LEO won't file much of anything.We are attending the funeral of a "runaway" on Friday.

I can see where what you're saying could apply to older "kids" (18 or older...or maybe even a bit younger) but these kids don't look any older than 8 or 10.

It's hard for me to imagine how *someone* didn't report these kids as being missing.I also can't imagine how such a report wouldn't cause the local (or state) police to immediately swing into action.

[ozaukeemom]

True, they are young. Jeff was 14 but small, so.... Regardless, yes, if these children are missing, I hope someone recognizes them.

[M. Thatcher]

Good grief. Okay, fine, rail against the practices of entire Italian and Hispanic societies. It will make a huge dent in the behavior of hundreds of millions of families, I'm sure.

I simply shared my experience as a way of explaining that this is a very old, very established practice.

Certainly your approach to people and cultures that differ from yours will be extremely successful.

And there is much data to support your contention that earrings such as those in the photo provoke predators, isn't there? Hopefully you can cite it for the rest of us so we can begin the groundswell necessary for legislation to ban such jewelry.

Seriously, if you think the child looks like a prostitute - and you must, because that was your instant reaction and that is your word - I suggest you seek help.

[SirJohnBarleycorn]

Legislation - huh? I am not arguing for outlawing anything.

I am calling on parents to use good judgment in not allowing their pre-teen daughters to dress in an age-inappropriate sexual manner.

But there is no law against being a foolish parent, and I never called for one, so if your "culture" insists that you send your ten-year-old daughter out to the mall in a low-cut cocktail dress, fishnet stockings and high heels with mascara and gold baubels hanging from her ears, hey, knock yourself out.

[M. Thatcher]

ten-year-old daughter out to the mall in a low-cut cocktail dress, fishnet stockings and high heels with mascara and gold baubels hanging from her ears

Yeah, apparently that's what you see in the photo. Seek help.

[SirJohnBarleycorn]

Unfortunately, I don't think there is any help for the inner ugliness you exhibit in your posts.

[sasha123]

Pierced ears has nothing to do with it. In Spain, baby girls ears are pierced by the nurses before leaving the hospital, just a few days old. Mine were pierced there XX many years ago. (No you can't know how many years..haha). Some cultures pierce as baby's girls ears and some put jewerly on their boys. She is hispanic and may they may follow ideas as we did in Spain.

[M. Thatcher]

I don't think there is any help for the inner ugliness you exhibit in your posts.

Au contraire. Look in the mirror. Through both my experience growing up with many immigrants and my Italian husband's family traditions I have learned a great deal about other cultures - information I simply tried to share with you. But you prefer to see this poor innocent girl's earrings as some sort of hallmark of prostitution; your description of the ten-year-old "at the mall in a low-cut cocktail dress, fishnet stockings and high heels with mascara and gold baubels hanging from her ears" comes entirely from your soul...it certainly isn't in the story at hand and it certainly isn't in the innocent folk custom I've described.

My suggestion: ask any Italian you know about earrings in infants. You may learn something.

[SirJohnBarleycorn]

The argument that a particular practice comes from some particular culture doesn't automatically make that practice right. There are lots of cultural practices around the world which are not good things. One has to judge the cultural practice on its own merit.

You may be right about Spain, but I can tell you that in America it is now a widespread practice to see girls from all sorts of different cultural backgrounds as young as 9 or 10 with pierced earrings, whereas 30 years ago this was not the case, it was much more limited. This is part of the same trend in which we also now see young girls dressing in the "hooker chic" fashion with thongs, low-cut jeans, t-shirts and shorts with sexually suggestive double entendres printed on them, etc, and younger and younger girls using makeup.

I'm not suggesting parents not allow young girls to wear any jewelry at all - I'm saying it should be appropriate to the age and the situation. And an important factor is the overall look - a pre-teen girl wearing low cut jeans together with both makeup and earrings may be over the line in what the parents should allow, whereas something less than all three elements might be okay, depending on the situation.

I suppose calling on parents to use good judgment and common sense is probably a hopeless cause because only those parents who have good judgment or common sense to begin with will listen. Parents should let their children have their childhood -- the children are going to have to deal with sexual situations soon enough.

[newpooh]

THE GIRLS ARE FINE.
On the Channel 5 6 0'clock news, they announced the girls were in no danger, the picture was of the cellmates children.

I think the conversation of jewelry on children really took a big leap into the outfield.

I would think a child wearing jewelry or earrings, looking more adult would be a turnoff to a child predator. That predator can't handle an adult. To some extent, this thinking that a rape victim was asking for it because of her dress was blown out of the water when you mention the nun in full habit being raped.

[SirJohnBarleycorn]

THE GIRLS ARE FINE.

On the Channel 5 6 0'clock news, they announced the girls were in no danger, the picture was of the cellmates children.

Thanks for posting that update.

As to the debate about what goes through the mind of a child predator, what does or doesn't appeal to him, etc., this from AllExperts:

A perpetrator committing child sexual abuse is commonly (and often, but not always, mistakenly) assumed to be a pedophile, and referred to as such; however, there may often be other motivations, much as adult rape can sometimes have non-sexual reasons. Most perpetrators of child sexual abuse are not primarily interested in children—a fact which has been recognized by law enforcement. They are sometimes referred to as pseudo-pedophilies or situational offenders, whereas pedophiles primarily attracted toward children are called structured pedophiles or fixated pedophiles, as their orientation is fixed by the structure of their personality.

http://experts.about.com/e/p/pe/Pedophilia.htm