Terrestrial Evidence of a Nuclear Catastrophe in Paleoindian Times

Mammoth Trumpet ^ | March 2001 | Firestone/Topping

[ForGod'sSake]

I love the CD selection, there's a young kid who likes odd old stuff, like ISB (broke up circa 1975).

(((scratching head)))Islamic Society of Baltimore???

Nope, can't be them, they appear to be going strong. ISB?

[SunkenCiv]

Been done already. Let's see... hmm, looks like they managed to escape the long arm of the GGG keyword people...

Scientists Plan to Rebuild Neanderthal Genome
New York Times | July 20, 2006 | Nicholas Wade
Posted on 07/20/2006 7:06:56 PM EDT by CobaltBlue
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1669474/posts

Project plans map of Neanderthal genome
The Globe and Mail | 7/24/06 | GEIR MOULSON
Posted on 07/24/2006 2:41:28 PM EDT by doc30
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1671396/posts

[blam]

"... looks like they managed to escape the long arm of the GGG keyword people... "

LOL. Grrrr!

[SunkenCiv]

Incredible String Band. Seen by 100s of 1000s when they played at Woodstock, but none of them remember now, oops, I mean, they didn't make it into the movie or soundtrack AFAIK. ISB was (in part) world music before anyone heard of that; mostly just a very quirky, very talented band. Licorice, a longtime female member, I heard disappeared in the 1980s while hitchhiking across the US. The founders though are all living, and have done some recent reunion CDs and previously unreleased, that kind of thing.

ISB is definitely not for everyone. :')

[SunkenCiv]

It's hard to explain, since one of them had the standard GGG message, but I'd added neither to the keyword. Or, the keyword met with foul play... Miss Scarlet... with the lead pipe... in the library...

[SunkenCiv]

There is some evidence of an Arctic Ocean impact (that is, a sort of broad scar on the ocean floor, which has erroneously I believe been attributed to a glacial floe), but not that recently I don't think.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Renfield, for the post and the FReepmail.

[SunkenCiv]

see however Renfield's reply above.

A Re-evaluation Of The Extraterrestrial Origin Of The Carolina Bays
by J. Ronald Eyton & Judith I. Parkhurst (April 1975)
Luis E. Ortiz & Susan Gross, editors

Abstract: Controversy as to the origin of the Carolina Bays has centered on terrestrial versus extraterrestrial theories. Meteoritic impact has been considered the primary causal mechanism in extraterrestrial models, but alternatives such as comets and asteroids have not been adequately considered. Comets may explode during fall and produce depressions which would conform to the morphology of the Bays. Only a comet appears to satisfy the constraints imposed both by extraterrestrial requirements and observed terrestrial characteristics.

[SunkenCiv]

"For thirty years, nobody disputed this 'fact'. One group of scientists abandoned their experiments on human liver cells because they could only find twenty-three pairs of chromosomes in each cell. Another researcher invented a method of separating the chromosomes, but still he thought he saw twenty-four pairs. It was not until 1955, when an Indonesian named Joe-Hin Tjio travelled from Spain to Sweden to work with Albert Levan, that the truth dawned. Tjio and Levan, using better techniques, plainly saw twenty-three pairs. They even went back and counted twenty-three pairs in photographs in books where the caption stated that there were twenty-four pairs. There are none so blind as do not wish to see." (p 23-24)

The author avoids technical language and explains what is known about genes and chromosomes with simple metaphors. While he airs some dirty laundry (as above), he still writes from a reductionist perspective. He's a Briton and emphasizes the achievements of other Britons, but manages to cover the Earth.

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Genome: The Autobiography of a Species in 23 Chapters by Matt Ridley

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[SunkenCiv]

BTW, thanks Fred, for that link, I guess I'd either not seen it, or hadn't visited in a very long time. :')

[SunkenCiv]

Daniels Gamble search using Scirus:

http://www.scirus.com/srsapp/search?q=Daniels+Gamble&ds=jnl&g=s&t=all

[SunkenCiv]

Whoops, I neglected to remove you from the "to" field. Sorry.

[Lockbar]

Solar flares must be banned! If only one life can be saved.............

[Renfield]

MOst of their papers were written in the 1960s and 1970s, and won't be found on line.

[Renfield]

I don't assign much credibility to Eyton and Parhkurst's work. They propose a late Pleistocene-Early Holocene date for Carolina Bays. If that were the case, bays would occur on the Wando formation in the Carolinas...which was surficially exposed at that time...but they do not. The Wando was deposited ~90,000 years ago, and was exposed certainly during Wisconsinian glaciation, if not well before. Bays are well expressed, however, on the Socastee formation, which was laid down around 200,000 years ago, and exposed by the time the Wando was forming. Bays are commonly found as far inland as the Duplin formation (~2.6 to 3.8 Million ya)(and, by the way, at substantially higher elevations than mentioned by Eyton and Parkhurst). They are very rare on the landward Tar Heel formation (upper Cretaceous), although I have found a couple. I have not identified any on the Middendorf formation (also upper Cretaceous, but older and more landward than the Tar Heel). There aren't many stable Palic landforms on the Middendorf, but there are a few, and one would think that if bolide impact caused the formation of bays, some would be found on the Middendorf. In the absence of shocked quartz, I still maintain that the phenomenon is best explained hydrologically.

[Renfield]

"....Years ago I read something about tectite strew fields in Georgia and/or the Carolinas...."

My friend Peter Vogt, a marine geophysicist, says that those tektites resulted from the meteorite that struck at what is now the mouth of Chesapeake Bay, at the end of the Eocene...which would be ~33.7 million years ago, NOT 12,000.

[ForGod'sSake]

I am going to try to compose a coherent response to this reply and your Freepmails into one. I made a promise to myself I wouldn't stay up this late again, but I have spent literally hours trying to piece some things together, and if I don't do it now....

Most indicators tell us the bays themselves are old; maybe very old. One thing that bothers me about them being in excess of say 100,000 years old, is the apparent lack of erosoin of their features. Also, the elevations these things are found in the US and especially other places around the world(which I would like to see you address) all but preclude their being created by sea level fluctuations. BTW, best I could determine, the last time we saw sea levels greater than they are now was ~120,000 years ago. They have more or less steadily risen since then. A relatively crude map but about as good as I could find:

In the absence of shocked quartz...

Do you know if this feature was found at the Tunguska site?

I still maintain that the phenomenon is best explained hydrologically.

While not impossible at elevations of 1500 - 1600 feet(maybe more?) at other sites around the world, there may have been something else at work. Fast melting glaciers? Ice dams giving way? We would maybe find some of these "up north" then? Maybe the great flood was somehow involved???

All's I know is it's way past my bedtime........again!

FGS

[Renfield]

In the southeastern US, Carolina Bays are found on flat, very stable landscapes. The only erosion on those landscapes is usually wind erosion; bay rims are material, deposited by wind, that was eroded by wind, from somewhere upwind.

Sea level fell during the last glaciation, to a low of about 330 feet below modern sea level. It began rising about 12,500 years ago. Most of the rise took place between 12,500 and 7000 years ago.

[Fred Nerks]

http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/cbayint.html

For the morning....

[ForGod'sSake]

Thanks for the reply. I've got to run and will be away from a computer most/all of the day, but I wanted to point out a mis-statement in my last post: While it may have been ~120,000 years since sea levels were the same or greater than they are today, you're right, the rise in fact didn't begin until ~12,000 - 15,000 years ago.

Would you take a crack at a couple of other questions I asked in my last post re elevations, shocked quartz, etc? Gotta run.

FGS