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To: Mrs. Don-o
Realistic about the persistence (and complexity) of temptation, she's actually inspirational as an advocate of chastity. It's instructive to know that she, too, is attacked by the Gay Agenda people for supporting --- no, insisting upon --- purity, modesty, chastity, honesty.

I have heard her name before. Her background notwithstanding, I have to question the point of her article here. She seems to be on-board with the whole "homosexual identity" movement. She seems to think that people can have an unchangeable homosexual "identity." The difference, it seems, between Ms. Tushnet and the homo-gandists is that they see the unchangeable homo identity as a good thing, while she recognizes it, correctly, as evil. That, at least, is to her credit.

Here's the primary complaint of her article: "During the entire nine hours of the conference, none of the speakers I heard discussed how to live chastely while experiencing same-sex attractions. The focus was entirely on the goal of switching sexual orientations."

While I agree with her that this subject should have been addressed, her chagrin about 'the goal switching sexual orientations' is a red-flag.

We are all oriented toward sin as a result of our fallen nature. We are all trying to "switch our orientation", with varying degrees of success through faith in Christ Jesus and the belief that He can help us achieve Heaven if we follow his teachings.

My sense is that Ms. Tushnet somehow thinks that same-sex attraction is somehow beyond the normal temptations that the rest of us endure--worthy of status as a part of your identity. Heaven forbid I ever get to the point where I start self-identifying based on my sinful desires. I think when you get that point, you're already half way to hell.
27 posted on 06/15/2006 1:56:52 PM PDT by Antoninus (I don't vote for liberals -- regardless of party.)
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To: Antoninus
"Heaven forbid I ever get to the point where I start self-identifying based on my sinful desires. I think when you get that point, you're already half way to hell."

Very true and well-said. I don't think she advocates self-dientifying based on sinful desires. Her point is like what we could say about recovering alcoholics. They are no longer drunkards. They may be sober and abstinent from alcohol for the rest of their lives. AND YET they may always be "recovering," always having to be on guard against this particular weakness.

You don't revel in the temptation. You don't feed it. You don't romanticize it. With God's help, you resist it. And yet you may be fighting that same temptation for the rest of your life.

See what I'm saying?

31 posted on 06/15/2006 2:30:09 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Body of Christ, save me.)
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To: Antoninus

"... get to the point where I start self-identifying based on my sinful desires. I think when you get that point, you're already half way to hell." Homosexuals seek to have US identify THEM by their sexual proclivities which traditionally have been seen as degeneracy in civilization. So, the issue isn't merely defining people, it is the frantic effort by those who are degenerate to force civilization to grant to them normalcy and thus degenerate the whole civilization to make them more comfortable in their degeneracy. And homosexuals aren't the only degenerates seeking to reshape society and culture to accomodate their degeneracies ... HINT: the movie and media campaign to normalize pornography because it pays so well to feed the degeneracy tendencies in human beings.


80 posted on 06/18/2006 11:04:52 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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