Bush urges Congress on immigration

Associated Press ^ | May 20, 2006 | DEB RIECHMANN

[ANGGAPO]

No Amnesty regardless how it is twisted.

[investigateworld]

Watch now, the OBL will comeback with, "But you'll get Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House".

Just like Squealer in Animal Farm, "You don't the Farmer to come back now do you?"

[RKV]

Just as happened recently in PA, we MUST get conservative candidates into the primaries and support them to the hilt. Even to the extent of displacing incumbents if they are RINOs.

[investigateworld]

Amen.

And we need to watch who is being 'groomed' by RINO's; IE when Dubya's nephew bad mouthed the Border Patrol, he's off my list for anything... even dog catcher

[Cobra64]

"...add 6,700 more beds so illegal immigrants can be detained while waiting for hearings..."

Excerpts from President Bush's speech to illegal immigrants:

Good afternoon my illegal friends. Welcome to Motel Six. Stay as long as you want and drinks and dinner are on me... err, the American Taxpayer.

Feel free to breed as fast as you want. Because we need more diversity amoung our people here in Texaco, err, Mexico, eer, ah, ... where are we Dick?

And don't forget, you can pick up your $100 gasoline rebate at the door to your hotel room.

(Bush to self... I hope Ted was okay with that grand welcoming sppech)

[Peach]

Hello?

The president has supported building a wall for over a year now, so if you have problems with the fact that a wall hasn't been built, take it up with Congress. He supported Sensenbrenner's suggestion to build a 700 mile wall, but Congress rejected it. Bush even signed legislation which funded the wall.

http://www.colum.edu/students/reservoir/studentlife/february2006/week1/borderfence0206.htm
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/5/3/115432.shtml

As an aside, although there are complaints that under this administration, employer fines have decreased for hiring illegal immigration, what seems to have gone unnoticed by the border hysterics is that it's because what was once a fine is now a CRIME.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/15/AR2006041501049_pf.html

Some of the Governors don't want a fence. Why don't you attack them?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48017

And it is within the power of each Governor to call up the National Guard to defend the borders. But some Governors are opposed to that idea too.

And for those who are saying the war in Iraq is making it impossible for our National Guard to protect the country here, there are over 300,000 National Guardsmen and only 30,000 are in Iraq or Afghanistan.

[Plutarch]

This is what the 2004 GOP Platform says:

Supporting Humane and Legal Immigration

The Republican Party supports reforming the immigration system to ensure that it is legal, safe, orderly and humane. It also supports measures to ensure that the immigration system is structured to address the needs of national security. America is a stronger and better nation because of the hard work and entrepreneurial spirit of immigrants, and the Republican Party honors them. A growing economy requires a growing number of workers, and President Bush has proposed a new temporary worker program that applies when no Americans can be found to fill the jobs. This new program would allow workers who currently hold jobs to come out of the shadows and to participate legally in America’s economy. It would allow men and women who enter the program to apply for citizenship in the same manner as those who apply from outside the United States. There must be strong workplace enforcement with tough penalties against employees and employers who violate immigration laws. We oppose amnesty because it would have the effect of encouraging illegal immigration and would give an unfair advantage to those who have broken our laws. To better ensure that immigrants enter the United States only through legal means that allow for verification of their identity, reconnaissance cameras, border patrol agents, and unmanned aerial flights have all been increased at the border. In addition, Border Patrol agents now have sweeping new powers to deport illegal aliens without having first to go through the cumbersome process of allowing the illegal alien to have a hearing before an immigration judge. We support these efforts to enforce the law while welcoming immigrants who enter America through legal avenues.

Now Bush says this:

Illegal immigrants who have roots in our country and want to stay should have to pay a meaningful penalty, pay their taxes, learn English, and work in a job for a number of years. People who meet these conditions should be able to apply for citizenship.

While running for President, Bush proposed a temporary worker program that illegals would need enter, and from this group some could apply for citizenship. Now, I believe it works that any human who can prove his illegality by producing a utility bill is granted legal status, permanent residence, and welfare goodies, and if he wants to be a citizen then a few paltry hurdles (that will be dropped as soon as possible) are placed in his way.

See how temporary worker morphs into amnesty? It is obvious that Bush has been hot to provide amnesty the whole time, and is providing as many aspects of amnesty as possible while maintaining mere semantic distinctions to enable him to deny it.

[AmeriBrit]

And they will get 100x that in SS

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All the more reason why GWB's plan allowing us to put a portion in private accounts should be fought for and passed.

[Molly T.]

You are so right.

I have a solution Mr. President, about how to come up with the 35000 beds needed for those illegals that get rounded up.......ask the one and only brilliant Sheriff from Az. or NM. that has the tent city set up for criminals of every ilk. I saw him on TV last week and when asked how he could handle the large amount that's out there coming across the border, his response was."not to worry", he'd put tents up from where he was, to the border if necessary. He also announce he was going to deputize a group to help round the illegals up.

Where there's a will, there's a way. This should not be a complicated thing to do, but the Pres. and the spineless who are in Congress lack the will, for reasons we can only guess.

[Plutarch]

Hello? to you Peach.

Are you maintaining that President Bush's record in protecting our border and enforcing immigration laws is laudatory? Bush himself as much as admitted otherwise in his speech Monday in which he described in lamentable detail the chaos that exists on the border and in the interior.

Bush may have put some lipstick on the amnesty pig with a little border enforcement here and there. But the issue is that damn pig. Try to reassure us on Bush's amnesty intentions. Good luck.

[Mojave]

A penalty of $2,000?

I wonder if it will be tax deductible? Or maybe a tax credit?

[Peach]

President Bush has spoken in favor of the bill authored by Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner (R-Wisc.), known as the Border Protection, Antiterrorism and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005. Bush has already signed legislation appropriating more than $70 million to install new barriers and improve existing protective infrastructure along the border. This includes fencing as well as vehicle barriers and lighting to enhance border security.

http://www.colum.edu/students/reservoir/studentlife/february2006/week1/borderfence0206.htm

[Mojave]

President Bush has spoken in favor of the bill authored by Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner (R-Wisc.), known as the Border Protection, Antiterrorism and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005.

What did he allegedly say?

[RodgerD]

Third, we need to hold employers to account for the workers they hire ...

But we didn't need to for the first five years of your tenure Mr. President, when work-site arrests declined from thousands to hundreds? Why the change of heart now?

Fourth, we must resolve the status of millions of illegal immigrants who are already here.

No we don't. We really don't (Though their illegal presence would be nicely resolved by their departure).

They should not be given an automatic path to citizenship. This is amnesty...,

Yes it is. And so is your amnesty plan.

Amnesty would be unfair to those who are here lawfully, and it would invite further waves of illegal immigration.

Yes, your amnesty will do both those things.

Some people think any proposal short of mass deportation is amnesty.

Straw man and unidentified actor in one sentence. Fire a speech writer.

Congress is now considering legislation on immigration reform. That legislation must be comprehensive. All elements of this problem must be addressed together or none of them will be solved at all.

Nonsense. Just a flat out ridiculous statement. Would anyone accept such an all-or-nothing demand about any other issue: Energy policy? Defense Policy? Health Care? Fire two speech writers.

[Peach]

Amnesty? I think not.

Anyone who doesn't apply for an application by a certain date would be subject to deportation.

Fines will be paid by applicants.

Those who apply for an application can stay for 3 years and can renew for an additional 3 years at which point they have to return home and get in line with everyone else.

Employers of illegals have to certify they tried to find Americans to fill the jobs. Those employers have to pay minimum wage and all other labor standards. Fine to employers not complying would be increased and instead of just fines, which has been the standard for 30 years, employers would be charged with serious criminal penalties and subject to trial and jail.

Applicants will submit to a background check and criminals will not be permitted to stay.

Applicants must learn English.

The president has been tryin to get Congress to address this problem for over 2 years. If you're upset that no action has been taken, take it up with Congress.

[Peach]

You didn't read the links, did you?

This is just one:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/5/3/115432.shtml

[Plutarch]

Yeah, we know Bush supported the House bill, and that is to his credit.

But it is abundantly clear that he favors the Senate bill, and he cares not a whit about any enforcement provisions in it, just so long as it has an "adjustment of status", i.e. amnesty.

Do you deny that Bush would have signed any immigration bill the Senate might have produced, even the original McCain-Kennedy monstrosity, with felons, 210 million and all?

[Mojave]

Anyone who doesn't apply for an application by a certain date would be subject to deportation.

And anyone currently in this nation illegally is subject to deportation.

Since Bush won't enforce the law now, what makes you think he'll enforce it after he gets his amnesty passed?

[tumblindice]

It seems to me that those in favor "comprehensive immigration reform" when called to task simply ignore the call of your question:
`What about the intention and apparent desire of President Bush to give amnesty to millions of illegal aliens?'

Their plan seems to be to simply change the date on the following: http://www.oig.lsc.gov/legis/irca86.htm
from `1986' to `2006'.
As a result this `can is kicked down the road' another twenty years.
Of course, in 2026 we could just again change the date `2006' in the above statute to `2026' when we have (was it 3 million in `86? and 12 million today?) using an exponential calculation: 48 million aliens "living in the shadows"--that is, when they aren't out demanding their rights while flying their flag, having read their history and recalling how well intimidation & threats worked in May of 2006.