Posted on 05/11/2006 5:46:17 PM PDT by Man50D
FairTax Rally and a special invitation to you
You are invited as special guests and participants to the Neal Boortz FairTax Rally to be held May 24th at the Gwinnett Convention Center outside Atlanta. Not only will this rally feature Congressman John Linder, WSB talk show host Neal Boortz, and FOX News star and conservative commentator Sean Hannity, but also FairTax.org leaders will be on hand, as well as FairTax activist and leader Herman Cain.
The goal of this rally, which will be broadcast nationally on Sean Hannity's FOX program, “Hannity & Colmes,” is to "kick up" the heat on national leaders to get the FairTax legislation moving. Join us for the this free rally and enjoy history in the making with fellow FairTaxers.
Date: Wednesday, May 24, 2006
Start time: 7:30 p.m.
Who: Neal Boortz
What: Free FairTax Rally
Where: Gwinnett Convention Center 6400 Sugarloaf Parkway Duluth, Georgia 30097
(800) 224-6422
Directions to Gwinnett Center: http://www.gwinnettcenter.com/pages/header/h_maps.html
Why: Neal Boortz is sick and tired of the IRS! He wants the IRS abolished and replaced with the FairTax!
Joining Neal Boortz at the rally:
Sean Hannity
Georgia Congressman John Linder
Herman Cain
FairTax.org leaders Consumer advocate Clark Howard Special musical guests Banks & Shane
There is no charge for this event and tickets are not required.
Please R.S.V.P. for your chance at front row seats to http://bigwinner.cxri.net/Contest.asp?r=10004&s=10732.
Visit Americans For Fair Taxation, www.FairTax.org, to find out more about the FairTax.
So now everything pigdog and I post are non-sequiturs. Well are we liars because we post non-sequiturs or do we post non-sequiturs because we are liars? LOL.
That's an easy one.
Now why don't you try to takle the last question I asked, or are you going to claim "you can't find it". or BadDog or AG for that matter.
Well, I went through three days of your fair tax posts and I didn't see a question addressed to me. You might want to "post" it instead of "thinking" it.
Your post 195 wasn't a question and didn't merit a thoughtful answer. It was a very sloppy insult.
You said it, not I.
Just as I suspected. evasion is your forte indeed.
Evasion. Do you really think you got me here? Do you throw banana peels on the floor in front of old ladies? I answered your post to me in spades. Evasion? Nice try. No, it wasn't even a nice try. What you're doing is underhanded at best. I'm not sure you even understand what you're doing.
“ think the spending side of the equation is where the danger to our country lies-- not in figuring out a radical new way to take out the same amount of money.
You are so right! And this is another reason why H.R. 25 is a bad idea…it is intentionally designed by its revenue neutral feature to support our existing big socialist government, and do so without any restraints upon Congress which may encourage Congress to follow sound fiscal policies as our founding fathers ORIGINAL TAX REFORM PLANdid with its direct apportioned tax to extinguish deficits should Congress borrow to pay for pork to feed porky the pig.
But there is even a more sinister reason why the friends of big government along with the friends of a socialist friendly big government dread any meaningful restraints upon Congress’ spending and borrowing habits. Let me explain!
Why is it so difficult for the people of American to not realize why there is such fighting between Republican and Democrat leaders during federal election time? Is it not obvious to all that one thing remains constant after each federal election? Those who win elections get to be in charge of who will be hired and fired from the countless political plum jobs created by our folks in Washington___ many of these jobs not being within the delegated powers granted to the federal government by the Constitution and being nothing more than a job to redistribute wealth taxed away from hard working Americans!
To get a perspective on the countless number of political plum jobs created by our folks in Washington, take a look at a 1956 telephone directory under federal government and you will find two pages of federal government offices. Look today and that two pages has exploded into a telephone directory that challenges the telephone directory size of many of America’s cities. But what is most astonishing when one realizes how large the federal government has grown, and how it now manages to meddle into almost every aspect of the people’s private lives, is to read the words of James Madison in Federalist Paper No. 45 and then compare his words to the multiple listings for federal government agencies.
"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation and foreign commerce. ... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives and liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement and prosperity of the State."
Having identified the intended functions of the federal government, intended to operate on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation and foreign commerce, here is a current A-Z Index of U.S. Government Departments and Agencies created in that department, many of which have six figure salaries, not to mention the generous retirement pensions and medical benefits!
And what does the phrase, “political plum job“ mean on Capitol Hill? Do you have any idea how many political plum jobs have been created since 1954, and the amount of tax revenue which goes to pay the salaries and generous pension and medical benefits of those appointed to political plum jobs? Of course, the above questions do not even take into account that many of the plum jobs created are for functions not authorized by the Constitution of the United States, such as the current Department of Education public education being a state constitutionally authorized function!
And, just what are some of the plum jobs at the federal Department of Education? For a partial list see: Officials—U.S. Department of Education
And what do these "OFFICIALS" do at the Department of Education? Surprise, they pilfer money from the Department’s budget into their own pockets See: The Department of Embezzlement
The sad truth is, our federal government personifies a living creature, a predator: it grows, it multiplies, it protects itself, it feeds on those it can defeat, and does everything to expand and flourish, even at the expense of enslaving a nation’s entire population with a national debt which exceeds $50 Trillion
Indeed, the servant has become the master over those who created a servant, and the new servant pays tribute to a gangster government which ignores our most basic law…our constitutions, state and federal.
I guess, if the founders were around one thing they would say is: “He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers, to harass our people, and eat out their substance” ___Declaration of Independence
And this is why our founding fathers created the TAX REFORM PLAN they did, with its various checks and balances to control the actions of folks in government___ a tax plan which the friends of a big and socialist government dread with a passion!
Regards,
JWK___ a proud supporter of our founding fathers ORIGINAL TAX REFORM PLAN
"To lay with one hand the power of the government on the property of the citizen and with the other to bestow upon favored individuals, to aid private enterprises and build up private fortunes is none the less a robbery because it is done under forms of law and called taxation."___Savings and Loan Assc. v. Topeka,(1875).
Is it not true that the family consumption allowance, which is proposed under H.R. 25, would create a new massive voting constituency dependent upon a monthly government check?
And, wouldn’t the proposed family consumption allowance reach almost every household in America?
Tell us pal, wouldn’t the family consumption allowance provide Ted Socialist Kennedy and his socialist gang on Capitol Hill with a new and valuable campaign weapon, which they would have at their disposal during election time, and promise to increase to buy votes and remain in power?
Finally, why don’t you take your big government friendly, socialist friendly dog and pony show elsewhere and peddle it? I’m sure you would be greeted with open arms by those who now invade our borders.
Regards,
JWK___ a proud supporter of our founding fathers ORIGINAL TAX REFORM PLAN
Sorry to disappoint you o cult-leader xcamial but I've never said any of those 3 things about you (even though they probably are true).
Show me where I've stated those things and I'll gladly apologize. If you can't, then YOU can apologize to me.
Well, DUH, I've never said all things are taxable. If you would read HR25 you've have a better grasp of that.
IAE, the prebate is not an entitlement but a refund of taxes paid much like an April 15 tax refund that some get.
Your charge of "dishonesty" applies more to you and your ilk with all your false claims made time after time in the face of many corrections. The support of the FairTax is hardly dishonest even though you may hate the idea and prefer the Status Quo (if anything that may not be "dishonest" on your part but it's certaqinly foolish).
You wouldn't know a non sequitur if it bit you squarely in the conclusion.
Sorry, mojoron, there's no "bait" and no "switch". those are both referring to the same amount of tax which you'd realize if you read the bill or the book or the website (or better yet - all of them).
I guess you'd rather remain ignorant.
See post #213.
See #213.
Well, Johnnicakes, if you keep feeding Robbie's inflated ego by telling him how "right" he is (when he's actually left of you - and that's saying something), you may be able to sell him some of your tax evasion schemes. He's pretty gullible to that sort of flattery.
If not perhaps you can ingrtatiate yourself with some of the other weak-minded lovers of the Status Quo and sell them some.
IAE, your beloved "founding father's tax reform" nonsense was not tax reform at all since at thet time there wasn't a country to reform let along a tax system. And the one you hype to high heaven didn't cut it which is why it bit the dust in 1863 with the first income tax.
Your argument seems to be with the spending side of goverhment since you've made it obvious you know nothing about the tax system part of things. Go ahead and put your bill before Congress and be sure to let us know how many sponsors you get.
For that matter, let us know how many "fast and easy tax-free methods" you manage to sell Robbie and his pals ... or perhaps you like to unequivocally state that you and any colleagues are not and never have been in the Tax Protesster movement.
No, that's not true as anyone with ever half a brain would realize and those receiving the prebate would not be "dependent" upon it and the only "massive voting constituency" would be the American taxpayer (and that's not a constituency at all). Your negatively-loaded rhetoric is trash!
There is nothing in the FairTax that is government- or socialist- friendly at all. Quite the opposite. It begins to help give control back to taxpayers and take it from politicians (and guys like you who wish to destroy our society).
Is it not true that the family consumption allowance, which is proposed under H.R. 25, would create a new massive voting constituency dependent upon a monthly government check?
No. The allowance is a return of taxes paid. The source of the allowance is the universal consumption tax paid by all equally. All receive the allowance equally. Is it not true that the current income tax fraud is on the verge of allowing more than 50% of the voters to vote themselves largess from the rest of us?
And, wouldn’t the proposed family consumption allowance reach almost every household in America?
Absolutely! None of this transfer of wealth under the IRS fraud.
Tell us pal, wouldn’t the family consumption allowance provide Ted Socialist Kennedy and his socialist gang on Capitol Hill with a new and valuable campaign weapon, which they would have at their disposal during election time, and promise to increase to buy votes and remain in power?
Much less than now. MUCH, MUCH less than now. But perhaps you would like to explain to all of us how Teddy would do that with the fair tax. He does it on a grand scale under the current fraud.
Finally, why don’t you take your big government friendly, socialist friendly dog and pony show elsewhere and peddle it? I’m sure you would be greeted with open arms by those who now invade our borders.
Who peed in your cornflakes this morning? I'll stay right here thanks. I love these cakewalks vs. maniacal SQL's.
(this is too easy)
Is it not true that the family consumption allowance, which is proposed under H.R. 25, would create a new massive voting constituency dependent upon a monthly government check?
groanup wrote:
No. The allowance is a return of taxes paid. The source of the allowance is the universal consumption tax paid by all equally.
Well, I see your pretty good at making things up as you go along just like little piggy poo. You're quite amusing!
A return of taxes paid? Paying taxes and contributing into the common treasury are not the same think pal! I would not say paying taxes from ill gotten gains, or money stolen from someone else and used to pay taxes is contributing into the common treasury. You may have a different opinion, but I suspect thinking people would not agree with you. And this applies to the socialist family consumption allowance under H.R. 25. Stay at home un-wed moms who do not work for a living, for example, would receive the allowance but would not be contributing into the common treasury when spending that welfare check. As a matter of fact, they would be receiving an approximate $400 per month bonus for staying at home making babies. And your criminals would also be receiving the $400 per month bonus for breaking the law.
H.R. 25 is socialist friendly plan which would create the largest entitlement in America’s history! The family consumption entitlement is project to cost approximately $600 billion per year and would make Hillary Health Care look like chicken feed!
The President's Advisory Panel on Tax Reform stated the following in its conclusion with regard to your beloved family consumption entitlement:
“Like other consumption taxes, the full replacement retail sales tax has pro-retail growth features. Nevertheless, the Panel does not recommend a full replacement retail sales tax. Without a large cash grant program to ease the burden of the tax, a retail sales tax would not be appropriately progressive. A cash grant program to make the tax appropriately progressive would cost at least $600 billion per year – which would make it America’s largest entitlement program. The Panel concluded that it was inappropriate to recommend a tax reform proposal that required the federal government to collect and redistribute this amount in additional revenue from taxpayers. The Panel also was concerned with administrative and compliance issues associated with a retail sales tax, as well as difficulties involving coordination with existing state sales taxes.”
Why do you want to redistribute money from the common treasury to people who do not work for a living and to criminals who steal other peoples hard earned money?
Why do you want to give these people a $400 per month bonus?
Regards, JWK___ a proud supporter of our founding fathers ORIGINAL TAX REFORM PLAN
"To lay with one hand the power of the government on the property of the citizen and with the other to bestow upon favored individuals, to aid private enterprises and build up private fortunes is none the less a robbery because it is done under forms of law and called taxation."___Savings and Loan Assc. v. Topeka,(1875).
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