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To: Arizona Carolyn


C'mon...I live in Texas.

My point, again, is not that illegal immigration "isnt" a problem...my point is the administration's views and actions on it are being twisted by political opportunists...who are using it (illegal immigration issues) as an instrument to remove the republican leadership. These people, chiefly democrats, have no real solution of their own...perhaps, would even perpetuate the problem.

The Rats will allow this "new" hot issue to mire the POTUS, and republicans, in order to gain seats in the House and Senate...that's what is currently driving this issue...an issue, which has been around for decades but is now is somehow Bush's "sole" fault.

Folks, you can keep on flaming away. However, I know I am right.


40 posted on 05/08/2006 1:17:10 PM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: in hoc signo vinces
"However, I know I am right."

So what position of the administration and/or GW Bushes on illegal immigration do you support?

43 posted on 05/08/2006 1:21:27 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: in hoc signo vinces

I bet you don't live near Laredo, or anywhere else right on the border. If you actually live on the border and don't see a problem with illegals, then you either have your head in the sand or you have some agenda for wanting the borders open.


44 posted on 05/08/2006 1:21:52 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: in hoc signo vinces
I am in the anti-hysteria...this has been around for 30 years...why is this now being used to bash bush crowd, understand?

That's a fair question, but I'm not sure it really matters. The issue is here now, and it should be addressed. And if the answer is "maintain the status quo", there's nothing improper about discussing whether that course of action is appropriate.

I am also in the rational, get to the root of the problem (Corrupt Mexican Government), crowd.

The problem with that approach is that the lag time is huge. Even if you could reform completely the Mexican government, how many decades would it take before the economic opportunity in Mexico and the U.S. was equivalent?

I agree that some of the wild-eyed xenophobia is out of place. I prefer some form of reliable securing of the border, but I don't demand kicking them all out of this country either. A better I.D. system, integrated with the IRS and immigration control would be fine. As long as they work and obey the laws, I think they should be able to stay, for the most part. That makes me a RINO to some, but oh well.

But as moderate as I think I am on this, I'm still a bit flabbergasted by Dubya's position on this. Making these people into full citizens when they entered the country illegally, and when we don't even have an accurate count, is ridiculous. Give them a guest worker status, with some limited rights to leave and later return, is fine. But don't make them all citizens, particularly when the net effect is to bump them ahead of the folks who have been trying to immigrate legally.

If Dubya is way out on one side on this issue, well, maybe he should have a political price to pay.

63 posted on 05/08/2006 1:41:59 PM PDT by XJarhead
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To: in hoc signo vinces

You know what, i don't think its Bush's fault. But the push for a guest working and amnesty program yet again is. He's not standing up doing what's best for the contry. His answer was you can't deport these people. He and the Repulicans in congress need to advocate following the law. Not rewarding law breakers.

I really feel like this, they figure they got 40 million new voters here and they are all pandering. Why 40 million because everyone you start on the road that eventually leads to citizenship means they can bring their family member to the contry legally.

I am a naturalized American. It took us 7 years to finalize my paperwork and it costed my parents and my grandparents alot of money to do this. I take huge offense and these people that don't want to follow the law and the lawmakers who don't want to follow the law.

They really have jumped the shark here and i think this is a huge turning point for the country.


86 posted on 05/08/2006 2:01:51 PM PDT by genxer
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To: in hoc signo vinces
"my point is the administration's views and actions on it are being twisted by political opportunists..."

I don't think so. What I am hearing from GWB's mouth is what is pissing me off.

If he's not getting his REAL point across then he ought to fire his speech writers and hire some better ones. But I don't think that's it.

As to the Dem's plans for dealing with illegals, I agree with you that they are probably worse.

But I'll be damned if I will vote for anyone who knowingly ignores enforcement of our laws and our security for the benefit of corporations OR votes.

Try not paying your taxes for a while: It is ILLEGAL, and they will burn the woods and sift the ashes until they find you. The government seems to know how to handle that!

Just fine the hell out of anyone who hires illegal and this nonsense will stop.

If we really need that many legal immigrants let's do what we can to speed up the process for LEGAL immigration. It is ridiculous to have to wait 20 years for approval.
111 posted on 05/08/2006 2:29:19 PM PDT by EEDUDE (A penny saved is......a penny Congress overlooked.)
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To: in hoc signo vinces
However, I know I am right.

Well gee, can't argue with that can we?</ Sarcasm>

191 posted on 05/09/2006 8:02:38 AM PDT by itsahoot
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To: in hoc signo vinces
The Rats will allow this "new" hot issue to mire the POTUS, and republicans, in order to gain seats in the House and Senate...that's what is currently driving this issue...an issue, which has been around for decades but is now is somehow Bush's "sole" fault.

So, indulging your scenario, the "Vast Democrat Immigration Conspiracy" has maneuvered President Bush into a situation where, if he gets tough on illegals and secures the border, he will ingratiate himself to 70% of the American public. Wow, that's pretty shrewd strategizing!

196 posted on 05/09/2006 5:21:47 PM PDT by Pa' fuera (I support family reunification.......through deportation)
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