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Control borders si! Amnesty no! Chuck sounds like Brit Hume....not as liberal as Kristol on this but to the Left of the House.

So you are basically saying, there is nothing to talk other than full deportation? is not that I disagree with your position is that I think we will lose the the whole argument that way. Because we appear unreasonable and unrealistic. I would much rather get a commitment that the border would be secured and the flow stopped and THEN I would agree to consider different solutions. One of them, yes, a "guess worker" program in those areas where we need people to do those jobs (like picking up vegetables, the restaurant business, etc).

I'm saying that why even talk of compromise till the borders are closed?

and don't think for a minute that the 11 million myth could not be 100 million in a generation ....then our whole culture is upside down in 20-30 years.

That is unprecedented outside military conquest.

Damn right I oppose that.

Our immigration policy prior to 1965 mirrored most other nations and was prudent and deliberate.

Like it should be.

Third world wishes to assimilate the first and it will probably eventually. It's happening everywhere. The third world cannot catch up culturally or economically so they are abandoning their nations to come to ours.

We can at least have it happen at a reasonable rate.

This dwarfs the Irish and Eastern European migrations of the mid 1800s...proportionately...dwarfs exponentially and we are no longer a frontier stealing the Indian's land as our NZ guest loves to point out.

Plus...those marches look more like they want to assimilate us ..like we owe them already....mierda in my view.

I would much rather get a commitment that the border would be secured and the flow stopped and THEN I would agree to consider different solutions.

This is sound