Posted on 03/29/2006 10:04:37 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
Looks like a bunch of petty bosses who want to control more than work habits. When did it start that any boss thought it was just peachy to act like a jackbooted thug by ripping into someone's vehicle?
A freedom lover isn't someone who just wants freedom for themselves. Any petty dictor want that.
Exactly. Thanks Shooter.
The term is indenturement, look it up.
The term is "indenture". The only significant difference between indentured servitude and slavery, is that an indenture eventually expires. During the term of his indenture, he is not free to quit, and is therefore a slave.
You are free to quit. Therefore you are neither a slave nor an indentured servant. Please don't be ridiculous.
The company says it, "supports the second amendment and the rights of law abiding citizens to own guns".
Apparently their PR flacks have never heard of an Englishman named George Orwell.
Logical... Controlled access to the lot should be required if they want to prohibit firearms on the premises in a motor vehicle.
I have noted many large commercial enterprises with expansive parking facilities have security that is virtually nonexistent. This conflicts with the right to defend yourself.
“A covenant not to defend myself from force, by force, is always void.” - Thomas Hobbes.“The right men have by nature to protect themselves, when none else can protect them, can by no covenant be relinquished.” - Thomas Hobbes.
It is sort of like the U.N. trying to force the Israelis not to defend themselves against the Phillistines when the U.N. won't do a damn thing to clamp down on them either...
Nothing wrong with an honor system. So your boss trusts you--hey, he doesn't know you like I do. :-)
“A covenant not to defend myself from force, by force, is always void.” - Thomas Hobbes.
Hobbes was an idiot, but this statement is almost true. Not completely true, but almost. Regardless, it has nothing to do with this case: the parking lot owner forbids the parking of cars containing weapons. This is not the same as requiring you to submit to a mugging, although you may find it inconvenient to defend yourself without a gun.
If the risk of a mugging is so very high, I would (1) negotiate with my boss to allow guns, or maybe (2) park somewhere else, or maybe (3) hire a security escort service, or maybe (4) convince the boss to hire security guards, or maybe (5) carry a gun but store it off the premises, for example in a rented locker next door to the workplace, or maybe (6) carry a switchblade or ballistic knife, or maybe (7) study Tai-Chi as a martial art, or maybe (8) carry pepper spray, or maybe (9) change jobs to a safer neighborhood, or maybe...
If you honestly bought Hobbes's reasoning, and you really believed that it was applicable, you would insist on carrying a gun inside the office as well.
Oh, and by the way...
A security barrier is a great idea!
If you are dealing with honorable people... trouble is, there is no way to know if a stranger lurking in a parking lot is honorable. In most cases they are not... (You don't want the rape and robbery statistics on that.)
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If you honestly bought Hobbes's reasoning, and you really believed that it was applicable, you would insist on carrying a gun inside the office as well.
The nature of my previous occupations required it.
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But, unless nobody is the wiser... for my purposes, if it were necessary; a Seecamp LWS in my boot or a flat dagger up my sleeve would go unnoticed.
I really think both extreme sides on this issue are equally ridiculous...
“For God's kingdom was in [Israel], and the nations round about were the kingdoms of the Enemy.”
Still true today... isn't it?
Stopped clock and all that.
As Bob Hope said to Jane Russell, "That's a nice pair of .45's you've got there." Said Jane, "Yeah, and I'm packing a set of guns too."
Oh, I get it; sort of like where an employer, such as the owner of a bar or other business, can allow smoking on his property because he owns it! Smoking bans notwithstanding of course! Can't have it both ways Poto.
Yes!
I am opposed to government-mandated smoking bans, so I'm not trying to have it both ways.
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