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To: the invisib1e hand

I too am of Mexican descent, and believe the border problem needs to be solved - however, after reading many of the posts here - they sound as ignorant, offensive and racist as the ones portrayed on wehategringos.

I'm guess I'm saddened that the posters that make the same type of remarks here don't realize they are doing the same thing they pretend to be offended by.

This type of rhetoric will only cause more division, not constructive problem solving - and from my perspective, reflects negatively on this forum.

If one wants to promote a cause, tactfulness and civility will go much further than hatemongering and mob mentality. Anyone convinced against their will is of the same opinion still....


300 posted on 03/26/2006 1:32:18 AM PST by M. Peach (eschew obfuscation)
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To: M. Peach

You need to be more specific. As in, copy and paste the posts that you object to, and speak to the person whose made the comments. You need to be ready to get into a debate with people you disagree with, rather than hiding behind your generalizations ... which is cowardly.

You would be very surprised how non-racist and sophisticated many of us are. But I think you have made your mind up already that we are a bunch of dumb whiteys.

So, are you ready to go mano a mano?


302 posted on 03/26/2006 2:14:31 AM PST by La Enchiladita (Walk softly, carry a big stick... and don't forget to connect the dots ...)
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To: M. Peach
I too am of Mexican descent, and believe the border problem needs to be solved - however, after reading many of the posts here - they sound as ignorant, offensive and racist as the ones portrayed on wehategringos.

You can probably blame a lot of it on the fact that the media and "our leaders" in the government have worked overtime to foster the idea that "immigrant and "illegal alien" are two terms for the same category of person.

Yes, the reality is that the two classes are entirely different, and to equate them is tantamount to equating "burglar" with "guest". But, the reality is, the language has become perverted -- and not without purpose. There is an agenda at play, and we can see the fruit even here.

So, when you see the posters become irate at someone who "confesses" (he himself used a form of that word) to hiring "immigrants" -- in a context in which the word "immigrant" is, in common usage, "politespeak" for "illegal alien", you see the posters reacting to someone they believe was hiring illegal aliens.

I think there would be a very trivial, miniscule number of people who would actually object to the hiring of bona fide legal immigrants (with the exception of technical workers who have had their careers destroyed by crooked employers, working hand-in-hand with crooked "law" that is twisted -- with government politely looking the other way -- as "legal" type "immigrants" are brought in "temporarily" to take jobs "that Americans won't do." (Namely, jobs that Americans were doing, for good pay, but, the crooked employers brought in folks from places like India, who, highly trained, skilled, and intelligent, would take those jobs for a fraction of the pay that the Americans were being paid. But that's an almost entirely separate issue -- I say "almost", because I consider those workers to be "illegal aliens", since they are here "legally" under fraudulent auspices -- thus, they are here illegally.)

Myself, I am the grandchild of immigrants, on both sides of the family tree, from two separate countries. My grandparents did the Ellis Island route, after saying goodbye to their families forever, travelling "in less than style" across a continent, so that they could book cheap passage on a steamship to come to "the land of opportunity".

And when they got here, they did not have it nearly as easy as the illegal aliens have it today. They worked hard, they lived poorly, they had no "rights organizations", they had genuine ethnic bigotry to contend with... but, they made it. It took two generations for their offspring to become "mainstream", but, that's how "the melting pot" worked.

They came here to become Americans.

They spoke English in their homes. Their children grew up speaking English.

And, if people from those countries were doing now, what Mexicans are doing to this country, I would resent it every bit as much as I resent Mexicans doing it.

And for Mexicans who do play by the rules, instead of "gaming the system", I have every bit as much respect as I do for my own immigrant ancestors.

It's not a "racist" thing at all -- but, I suspect it will be, due to the intense polarization that is taking form. When people from one country, of one ethnic group, are allowed to break every rule in the book -- and then, instead of being taken to task for their criminal behavior, are rewarded... when "our" government bends over forwards to appeal to the illegal invaders... well, it's quite understandable how all sorts of resentments will fester and brew.

I expect that things will get a lot worse. I hesitate to add, "before they get better," because I am not that optimistic as to assume that they will "get better", period.

414 posted on 03/26/2006 12:39:51 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: M. Peach

Specific examples?


418 posted on 03/26/2006 12:56:16 PM PST by Serenissima Venezia (U.S. a 3rd world soon: not educating enough scientists/engineers and being invaded by illegals)
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To: M. Peach
"If one wants to promote a cause, tactfulness and civility will go much further than hatemongering and mob mentality. Anyone convinced against their will is of the same opinion still...."

A lesson I simply did not need to learn from ANYONE, ANYWHERE. Furthermore, there is a difference between passionate and forceful.

430 posted on 03/26/2006 2:39:20 PM PST by TAdams8591
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