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The Doctor Will See You for Exactly Seven Minutes
NY Times ^ | March 22, 2006 | PETER SALGO

Posted on 03/23/2006 3:47:56 PM PST by neverdem

WHEN politicians speak of America's health care needs, they often miss an important point: the doctor-patient relationship has become frayed. Patients aren't unhappy just because health care costs too much (though they would certainly like it to be more affordable). Rather, people sense a malaise within the system that has eroded the respect they feel patients deserve.

There has been a shift in attitude within the profession. I see examples of it every day. I was making rounds in my intensive care unit recently when one of the interns presented a case. "This is the first admission for this 55-year-old male," he said.

"Stop," I said. "He is a man."

"That's what I said," the intern replied.

"Not exactly," I answered. Clearly, the intern didn't get it. Neither do a lot of other health care professionals anymore.

The problem has been sneaking up on us for almost two decades. As health-care dollars became scarce in the 1980's and 90's, hospitals asked their business people to attend clinical meetings. The object was to see what doctors were doing that cost a lot of money, then to try and do things more efficiently. Almost immediately, I noticed that business jargon was becoming commonplace. "Patients" began to disappear. They were replaced by "consumers." They eventually became "customers."

This may seem a trivial matter, but it is not. You treat "patients" as if they were members of your family. You talk to them. You comfort them. You take time to explain to them what the future may hold in store. Sometimes, that future will be bleak. But you assure them you will be there to help them face it.

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The difference between getting a good doctor and a crappy out the door doctor, is usually the difference between an HMO and other types of insurance. Many cheap HMO's have doctors who see way too many patients a day.
41 posted on 03/23/2006 5:27:02 PM PST by RHINO369
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To: neverdem

Well, at least we're not in Canada where the doctor will see you...some time 13 months from now...if you're still alive.


42 posted on 03/23/2006 5:28:03 PM PST by winner3000
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To: neverdem

A couple years back I went to an ENT specialist on referral from my primary physician. The doctor, who had a train of interns in tow, was in my room MAYBE sixty seconds. When I got up front, I looked at my "checkout" sheet, the one where they mark the various items you owe for. There were three levels of office visit listed: BRIEF, FULL, and EXTENDED. He had marked EXTENDED, for which the charge was something like $180. About the time I noticed it, the doctor and his entourage o'interns came back by and I came unglued.

MM


43 posted on 03/23/2006 5:28:19 PM PST by MississippiMan (Behold now behemoth...he moves his tail like a cedar. Job 40:17)
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To: Larry Lucido

I still can't get over how every TV commercial for a drug of any kind says, "Tell your doctor if you have liver problems" or something similar.

Shouldn't the doctor be telling ME whether or not I have liver problems? And if I *do* have liver problems, why in the heck isn't that already in my file when he sees me?


44 posted on 03/23/2006 5:38:11 PM PST by Rte66
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To: johniegrad
Dear Sir;

My Father and I arrived at the Md's office today at 3:15 (Appt time 3:30). We were called in promptly at 3;30 and waited until 5:40 until we saw the MD.

If I ran my business like this (they could of told us he was running late) I would be out of business.

Doctors might be smart, but they sure are dumb (when it come to business).
45 posted on 03/23/2006 6:26:02 PM PST by oxcart (Journalism (Sic))
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To: Rte66

I have liver problems, hep c, and I cant count the times my dr has given me meds he shouldnt have. I would have to ask him if it was ok for my liver. At which he would say I am the DR here not you. I swear all that man wanted to do was give me paxil and zoloft even thought I am not depressed. I wouldn't even bring depression up. I finally asked some neighbors who use him too and they told me the same thing. I am so glad I left there. And it felt really good to call up and tell him just why I was leaving. He was very upset to see 5 of us leave.


46 posted on 03/23/2006 6:43:54 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( barbaric with zero tolerance and dilligaf?)
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To: johniegrad
Why did he have surgery?

Well, it was actually an orthoscope down the throat, so there was non cutting involved. However, it was described as a surgical procedure (and certainly seemed to be treated as such).

47 posted on 03/23/2006 6:46:30 PM PST by The Duke
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To: The Duke

That's really too bad. Although with severe stomach pain, an ER visit is appropriate, you should try to avoid taking a child to an ER; it's best to see a Pediatrician (unless the child is critically ill or has a traumatic injury).


48 posted on 03/23/2006 6:46:42 PM PST by Born Conservative (Chronic Positivity - http://jsher.livejournal.com/)
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To: wideminded

There's absolutely nothing wrong with having your child see a resident (I know; I work in a resident-based pediatric clinic). The only disadvantage (other than if you don't get a good doc) is that they leave after 3 years, and you end up getting a new doc. However, the advantage of that is that you're getting someone who has never seen your child, and may pick up on something the other may have missed.


49 posted on 03/23/2006 6:50:39 PM PST by Born Conservative (Chronic Positivity - http://jsher.livejournal.com/)
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To: pandoraou812
I would have to ask him if it was ok for my liver. At which he would say I am the DR here not you.

When a doctor cops that attitude, that is a big red flag to tell you "switch to another doctor".

50 posted on 03/23/2006 6:56:55 PM PST by Born Conservative (Chronic Positivity - http://jsher.livejournal.com/)
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To: TET1968

This happens in large cities alot. In the hospital where I pracitce you would have been seen within 10 min or less and that IV Morphine would have been in your vein within another 15 minutes. You should see how quick we are if you have Chest Pain. There are not enough Emergency rooms in large cities. I would have to be dying to go to one. I will never forget my time spent training in Dade County Hospital in Miami. Awful, horrible makes me shudder.


51 posted on 03/23/2006 6:59:46 PM PST by therut
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To: Born Conservative
The only disadvantage (other than if you don't get a good doc) is that they leave after 3 years, and you end up getting a new doc.

We just had our last visit (normal checkup) with our son's doctor. She advised us to pick another doctor who is early in their residency. We have to choose male or female.

52 posted on 03/23/2006 7:06:27 PM PST by wideminded
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To: neverdem

That is why I use an FNP. Better than doctors any day.


53 posted on 03/23/2006 7:23:18 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Centurion2000
Mine always spends a lot of time with me. A few times I've had to make excuses just to get out of there! I'm not complaining mind you. She's fabulous.
54 posted on 03/23/2006 7:38:46 PM PST by lizma
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To: oxcart

Yes, the office staff should have let you know the doc was running behind. When I get hung up at the hospital before I get to the office I always call my staff and tell them to lets folks know I'm running late and to give them my best guess as to when I'll get there.

But to compare the medical field and trying to keep to a set time schedule (depending on specialty) is impossible. I can't tell you how many times I, as an Internist, have had a patient crashing, have to intubate them and spend another hour with them in the ICU either at morning rounds, or when I have to admit someone to the ICU in the middle of a full schedule. It's a very unpredictable field. When someone hits the ER with an acute illness that requires my immediate attention, the patients on my schedule in the office will have to wait, or reschedule. Most understand this, as I always say, "If it's YOU having the heart attack, don't you want me there doing everything I can for you rather than seeing the person in my office?"

And there are many docs that have a family-like relationship with their patients. Most give me hugs and kisses when they see me. Of course, it’s hard to teach good bedside manner. That’s something your parents teach you, not a med school, no matter how hard they may try.

Maybe it's a Southern thing? ;)


55 posted on 03/23/2006 7:49:59 PM PST by Maury
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To: ladyinred

I'm glad to say I live in a parish in South Louisiana with ZERO HMO capitated plans that do exactly as you say; pay doctors to NOT treat patients.

Many of my patients have my home phone number and emails, and I have rarely had that abused by any of them.

Of course, I live in a small town. They'd find me anyway. ;)


56 posted on 03/23/2006 7:53:25 PM PST by Maury
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To: pandoraou812

I hope you let your doctor know why you were leaving.


57 posted on 03/23/2006 7:53:54 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (We're living in the Dark Ages.)
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To: Kozak

Wow, you're lucky. It's more like HALF down here have zero funding.


58 posted on 03/23/2006 7:55:47 PM PST by Maury
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To: Maury
I did no mean to lump you into a category of all MD's.

I know (having worked in the long term care industry) how insane a doctors life/hours are.

You sound like a fine practitioner.

Keep up the good work/fight.
59 posted on 03/23/2006 7:59:23 PM PST by oxcart (Journalism (Sic))
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To: Maury

The day it goes over 50% is the day I retire. Moma didn't raise no fool...


60 posted on 03/23/2006 7:59:58 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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