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If you don't have a dog in this fight then you are just on the outside looking in. No politician has a dog in this fight. Honestly, of this is such a noble cause why don't the children of these politicians join the Army? Only we here and our people back home are sacrificing in this war. For anyone else, this war is just a story on the evening news.

This is the statement that bothers me the most. This is not only untrue, it's also classic anti-war propoganda. Michael Moore used this argument as a driving force for "Fahrenheit 9/11." I actually believe there are PLENTY of politicians with family members serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I agree.

It seems like an odd thing for a recruit in an all volunteer army to say. Especially since we hear it over and over from real live anit-war activists and leftists.

That said, it isn't like the entire military has one political perspective. Heck, most of us around here can't agree most of the time.

"If you don't have a dog in this fight." This is something I intend to research today. If my son is wrong, I will let him know. Meanwhile, here is his reaction after reading the thread:

"The real vets understand where I am coming from. The outsiders are all up in arms about how I am a left wing pland reading from the talking points. Typical. Instead of debating the validity of the argument they attack the messenger.

The funniest were the people challenging my bona fides. I suppose I am just one of those poor dumb white trash grunts who are too stupid to understand what is 'really' going on. LOL. The American people are horribly misinformed about the war. Unfortunately, the truth is classified.

All the same, there is not a mission end state. Perhaps the Keyboard Kommandos would first like to define the doctrinal term "Mission End State." Then they could tell me what it is for this operation. Because, I still don't know what we are trying to do here [in Afghanistan] or how we are supposed to achieve said unknown objective."