Posted on 03/12/2006 7:36:24 PM PST by gleeaikin
A lot of people aren't going to like this...but it is as good as gospel for most people in the US military...
The real question here is how many “soldiers,” or “veterans” or otherwise hawkish-appearing but leftist-sympathizing and traitorous individuals can the leftist media dig up, and will this ruse last long enough to scam any electoral wins for the democrats?
Depressing, but a very good read. Thanks for posting it.
These posts might help the confusion.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1595269/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1595200/posts
Hey, not everyone in the military shares the exact same view of this conflict. Trust me on this one.
But most of the military doesn't think what is posted in the article above is true, even if you do. Trust me on this one.
We are fighting an enemy who is in it until the last "infidel", that'd be you and me, is dead or converts to Islam.
Ah, I see. The public can't question it. Now even the people that have been over there and lived through it can't question it as well? I have a friend that went over there so gung-ho it was unbelievable. Since he's been back, he's questioned it. And this is from someone who I never would have believed would have doubts at any time.
I don't see where Washington (or the media) has help this war effort that much. They (the State Dept and the CIA) have pretty much mucked it up and left it to the military to try to clean it up. But They are not giving the military the support it needs except when they see it is politically advantageous to do so. Which is usually after a hugh outcry from the population.
The grunts can see all this, they aren't stupid.
True, it's different for each person. Like someone might agree with one comment, or part of a comment but not both. But some of the arguements brought up are legitimate..Sorry I did sound like I was generalizing for everyone...my mistake.
I agree with the reasons we went to war, I support the fight completely. I think the way the war has become politicized by some on both sides is disgusting. I also think the way it has been prosecuted could have been better but that is hindsight. Will we win? I believe we can if we are allowed to. I just don't like the attitude of some who call anyone in the military who has a gripe about something a lib or a traitor.
Do not think I am refering to you though.
When do you think the locals will be in a position to take care of themselves? What can we (US military)do to support them until then?
No politician has a dog in this fight. Honestly, of this is such a noble cause why don't the children of these politicians join the Army? Only we here and our people back home are sacrificing in this war. For anyone else, this war is just a story on the evening news." We have 12 conditions we must meet before we are allowed to do anything useful.
This is the the same as the Vietnam war. The politicians created the war, protected their friends and family and restricted our rules of engagement. In the end, they made the decision to withdraw. Sound familiar?.
"How about everyone who "Supports the Troops" volunteer for a nice tax increase to pay for the war? How about a military pay raise? Aren't we worth it? How about some better equipment? How about giving every returning vet a good JOB?"
Well said and I totally agree
Semper fi
Pretty well said. I'm as conservative as they come but have been sickened by politicians being so politically correct that can't seem to even name the enemy. I'm tired of wars between the Whitehouse and the CIA putting my family at risk due to whizzing contests over intelligence. I'm really ticked at a couple of Republican's who saw fit to use our troops as pawns in the ports game.
I wish the population would stand up and tell the politicians to knock it off!
We (and I mean you, me and the other parents and relatives) need to write our congress critters and the president. We need to point out to them where are children are serving or have served and what is needed from them. We have clout right now. They don't want any more Cindy Sheehans running around. So let's mobilize! :)
I'm a soldier, and I can tell you I'm a pretty hard up gung-ho as they come. I think Iraq is a mess, and will continue to be. Thats my opinion, chose to think what you want, but I feel Iraq is lost and has been lost for sometime. Our politicians and the CIA are 100% at fault.
When you treat a "war" like a peace keeping mission or police action and you constantly change the soldiers on the ground rules of engagement, and dont let them defend themselves against clear threats stemming from mosques and foreign fighters shooting and running back over the border with syria you have a clear problem. There is a reason why we haven't won a real "war" since ww2.
Doing my best on that front.
I don't see Iraq as lost. A mess certainly. But not lost. If it was lost, we would have seen civil war after the Golden Mosque bombing, or at the very least the necessity of the US forces to be used in mass to prevent one. Neither happened. No, Iraq is not lost. Their parlement will meet on the 16th (ahead of the 19th date) and they will pick a government, and they will move forward. Our troops will continue to train the Iraqi Police and Army and more and more FOBs will be transferred to the Iraqis. In a few months many of our forces will be out of Iraq.
No, Iraq is not lost, not by a long shot.
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