Posted on 02/14/2006 4:52:08 AM PST by TaxRelief
http://www.campbell.edu/news/releases/sp05/ns_rel0040.html
I found this. It seems that this man does address the evil prvalent in Islam today. I cannot find the quote where he speciffically says crusades. It looks like people are misrepresenting this guy because they don't like this school.
http://www.campbell.edu/news/releases/sp05/ns_rel0040.html
I found this. It seems that this man does address the evil prvalent in Islam today. I cannot find the quote where he speciffically says crusades. It looks like people are misrepresenting this guy because they don't like this school.
"I wonder which religion's he focused on? What his test was?
For instance: Is a person of power who claims to speak with a higher power that leads us into a war for oil likely involved in an evil religion? (kimball answers his own rhetoric... YES, that mans religion is no doubt evil)
Does a religion seek to deny rights to deserving segments of society like homosexuals? (kimball again: absolutely, Christianity is an antiquated evil religion that seeks to destroy the world in the name of "Jesus". )
Are religions whose practitioners are forced to fight oppression by whatever means necessary evil? (kimball says: No, they are simply surviving, if Israel would stop their oppression of the Palestinians and the US would halt its imperialism on the world then no Muslim would have to attack the US or Israel)
This is all speculation but my guess, after reading a bit about these schools, is that his speech wasn't ideologically far off of my guess.
I can only hope I am dead wrong."
You are about as wrong as you could possibly be. Maybe you should take a little time to learn something about someone's ideas instead of applying your unfounded, ignorant generalities to them. “Angel of Vision: Christians and the Middle East” That was the title of another book by Kimball. He sure sounds like a rampaging anti-Christian. Most of the stuff I've read about him has to do with his criticism of Islam.
Ugh. This guy is ignorant of history. If not for the Crusades, Europe would have been overrun by the Mohammedans, and this spokesperson for the National Council of Churches would be speaking Arabic.
I wonder which religion's he focused on? What his test was?
Pay special note to the last 2 sentences. I clearly state that this is speculation, and I hoped I was wrong, ...
This is all speculation but my guess, after reading a bit about these schools, is that his speech wasn't ideologically far off of my guess.
I can only hope I am dead wrong
Thanks a lot for implying that I was propagating a lie about this man, which I was not. I simply speculated as to his content based on what I've read about the schools curriculum.
So, maybe you should follow your own advice and take a little time to learn something about someone's ideas by reading the content of my post. I never applied those words to Kimball, I stated that I wondered what he did in my first sentence, and noted that it was all speculation in the 2nd to last sentence. So calm down with your unfounded, ignorant generalities about me and what I was saying.
I repeat, hopefully I was dead wrong and it seems I am - that is a good thing. So your indignation is misplaced. I'd say an apology is in order.
Since its founding in 1950, the New York City-based National Council of Churches (NCC) has remained faithful to the legacy of its predecessor, the Communist front-group known as the Federal Council of Churches, which the NCC absorbed in 1950. At one time an unabashed apostle of the Communist cause, the NCC has today recast itself as a leading representative of the so-called religious Left. Adhering to what it has described as "liberation theology"--that is, Marxist ideology disguised as Christianity--the NCC lays claim to a membership of 36 Protestant, Anglican and Orthodox Christian denominations, and some 50 million members in over 140,000 congregations.
Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the NCC has soft-pedaled its radical message, dressing up its demands for global collectivization and its rejection of democratic capitalism in the garb of religious teachings. Yet the organization’s history suggests that it was—and remains—a devout backer of a gallery of socialist governments. In the 1950s and 1960s, under cover of charity, the NCC provided financial succor to the Communist regimes in Yugoslavia and Poland, funneling money to both through its relief agency, the Church World Service. In the 1970s, working with its Geneva-based parent organization, the World Council of Churches, the NCC supplied financial support for Soviet-sponsored incursions into Africa, aiding the terrorist rampages of Communist guerrillas in Zimbabwe, Namibia, Mozambique, and Angola.
As one of the leading contributors to the Program to Combat Racism (a program created in 1939 by the NCC-parent group, the World Council of Churches, and discontinued in 1996), the NCC played a central role in subsidizing revolutionary Communist movements in the Third World. Sensitive to the controversy which over the years has enveloped the Program to Combat Racism (PCR), the WCC has consistently declined to divulge both the contributors to, and the recipients of, the program. The WCC has gone so far as to establish an independent budget, the Special Fund to Combat Racism, in order to conceal details about the funding of the program. Despite these efforts, the WCC has not been entirely successful in obscuring the PCR's paper trail.
An August 1982 report by Reader's Digest revealed that during the 1970s the PCR disbursed over $5 million to some 130 organizations in 30 countries. While the WCC held fast to the claim that the funds were directed solely toward those organizations dedicated to fighting racism, the facts suggested otherwise. According to the Reader's Digest report, more than half of the money that went to the PCR wound up in the hands of Communist guerrillas. The report further traced PCR funds to a series of Communist rampages in Africa. During the 1970s, over $78,000 went to Cuba's Soviet-sponsored MPLA to foment Communist revolution in Angola; some $120,000 went to the Marxist FRELIMO in Mozambique; and another $832,000 to Namibia's Communist regime, the SWAPO; another grant, for $108,000, was funneled to the Patriotic Front in Zimbabwe (then Rhodesia), a Communist guerrilla force whose campaign of indiscriminate terror claimed the lives of 207 white civilians, 1,721 blacks, and nine missionaries as well as their children. In the face of this grim evidence, PCR administrators--many of whom were culled from the ranks of the NCC--continued to push the line that, rather than bankrolling Communist death squads, the organization was simply supporting "liberation movements." From this position the WCC has never wavered. In an archival overview of the PRC, published in 2004, the WCC dusted off its claim that "the main aim of the PCR is to define, propose and carry out ecumenical policies and programs that substantially contribute to the liberation of the victims of racism."
Other beneficiaries of the NCC's leftist philanthropy included El Salvador’s Sandinista guerrillas. Using the Evangelical Committee for Aid to Development (CEPAD), an organization established to distribute the charity donations collected by U.S. churches in Latin America—and whose leadership openly professed solidarity with the Sandinistas’ Marxist aims--the NCC made common cause with the Sandinista government in Nicaragua, contributing nearly $400,000 to the Sandinista Party between 1981 and 1983. Documents seized from El Salvador's guerrillas in 1983 revealed yet another Communist group on the take from the NCC's collection plate.
Another of the NCC's leftist faith-based initiatives is support for Communist Cuba. Having pushed for the United States to normalize relations with the Castro regime since 1968, the NCC throughout the Cold War pressed its considerable authority on moral issues into the service of whitewashing the hard-line regime’s record of oppression. In 1977, after heading a delegation of American church officials to Cuba, the Methodist bishop James Armstrong, who would be elected NCC president the following year, issued a report that may justifiably be described as supportive of the murderous dictatorship. "There is a significant difference," Armstrong insisted, "between situations where people are imprisoned for opposing regimes designed to perpetuate inequities, as in Chile and Brazil, for example, and situations were people are imprisoned for opposing regimes designed to remove inequities, as in Cuba."
Post #88 exposes Kimball completely.
Ask yourself: Who was there to counter the claims made at these speeches? Are pro-democracy groups allowed on the campus to share the information in post #88, or are these kids sitting ducks for communist brainwashing wrapped in the guise of "love the bomber" Christianity?
We need to wake up homos want our children - many gay men are after boys and are predators. When they are caught they are never identified as homo only a pedophile. Wake up - homosex is not just a choice but a method to destroy the family, morals and religion.
I guess that needs further investigation. My initial guess was that Kimball was likely to engage in some sort of leftist agenda. That other fella said some nasty things to me. According to your post Kimball was not as stand up a guy as thought to be, although he still may not have attacked christianity...
I guess the upshot is that if my kid is invited to one of these schools I will decline.
He first suspected that things were not right when he noticed that the stools in the Bio Lab were all upside-down.
How dare you ask such a relevant question? Just for that, the thought police are watching you....
I pulled this excerpt off the NCC resolution.
"Reaffirming these beliefs more than a year after the tragedy of September 11, 2001, we offer the following reflections.
We celebrate and give thanks to God for the courage, selfless service, sacrifice, commitment, and generosity of our leaders, public service workers, and countless others who will never be known, who gave their lives, labor, resources, and compassion in response to this crisis. We express particular gratitude to President George W. Bush, First Lady Laura Bush, and other national, state, and local leaders for their efforts to promote respect for religious diversity in this country and abroad."
Post #88 does not prove anything other than the fact that you applied certain statements and actions of certain people in huge organiztion to one man. The NCC is a council of various churches. People on the council represent a very broad spectrum of ideas, some of which are represented in your post, and some of which are the exact opposite. You just choose facts that support your generalization. The organization is designed to promote dialouge between various denominations. It is like a congress of for various Christian denominations. Some members are more liberal than others. According to Wikipedia the council "has repeatedly denied membership to Metropolitan Community Church," which is a large, liberal church that is very open and accomodating to gays and lesbians.
I provided a list of the various churches who have representatives on this council. These are all the churches you insulted and labeled as communists. Quite an accomplishment to insult that many people. I will also note that many of the criticisms the NCC has made of the US and Israel have been also expressed by the Vatican. These people are legitamately pacifist for the most part and they will criticize any violence. I don't agree with their views 100%, but I respect them because that is what Jesus really taught.
African Methodist Episcopal Church -- [2]
The African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church
Alliance of Baptists -- [3]
American Baptist Churches USA -- [4]
Diocese of the Armenian Church of America -- [5]
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) -- [6]
Christian Methodist Episcopal Church -- [7]
Church of the Brethren -- [8]
The Coptic Orthodox Church in North America -- [9]
The Episcopal Church in the United States of America -- [10]
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America -- [11]
Friends United Meeting -- [12]
Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America -- [13]
Hungarian Reformed Church in America -- [14]
International Council of Community Churches -- [15]
Korean Presbyterian Church in America
Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church
Mar Thoma Church -- [16]
Moravian Church in America Northern Province and Southern Province -- [17]
National Baptist Convention of America -- [18]
National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc. -- [19]
National Missionary Baptist Convention of America -- [20]
Orthodox Church in America -- [21]
Patriarchal Parishes of the Russian Orthodox Church in the USA -- [22]
Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends -- [23]
Polish National Catholic Church of America -- [24]
Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) -- [25]
Progressive National Baptist Convention, Inc. -- [26]
Reformed Church in America -- [27]
Serbian Orthodox Church in the U.S.A. and Canada -- [28]
The Swedenborgian Church of North America -- [29]
Syrian Orthodox Church of Antioch -- [30]
Ukrainian Orthodox Church of America -- [31]
United Church of Christ -- [32]
The United Methodist Church
I was not nasty to you. I just said you should not generalize. Post #88 had nothing to do with Kimball. The poster was attempting to blame Kimball for all of the actions of the NCC, kind of like Ted Kennedy did to Alito with that CAP thing. Nothing in that post was relevant to this discussion. I believe George W. Bush is a member of the United Methodist Church, who is a member of the NCC, so I guess he is implicated in the post also, along with a majority of Protestants and Orthodox Chritians in the US. The fact is Kimball is very sympathetic to the muslim people, but everything I've read by him is harshly critical of Islamic terrorists. He contends that the extremists really are a minority in that region. I don't totally agree with him, but that opinion hardly makes him a communist. I think the other poster was just embarrassed because he had been attacking the man without any facts, and he felt foolish.
Kimball joined the NCC after they were outed in 1983. Kimball knowingly aligned himself with a known communist front group, and to this day brags about his involvement.
President Bush's involvement with the UMC is regrettable.
maybe it's "how to be village people"
no, there would be no NCC and it would be the National Counsel of Mosques.
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