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Feminism isn't dead, but a new book wounds it badly
Jewish World Review ^
| Jan. 13, 2006
| Mona Charen
Posted on 01/13/2006 2:04:44 AM PST by rhema
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To: meowmeow
...while persistence, hard work and keeping my wits about me have given me a great career, freedom for travel and adventure, and financial success, all of that was made a little easier to achieve because of the feminist movement. Feminism for all its faults did open doors.Perhaps. But if you read Carolyn Graglia's book Domestic Tranquillity, you'll realize that before the advent of feminism there were many successful business and professional women. It can be argued that feminism put up legal barriers against sexual harassment and discrimination, but a just society prohibits those things without requiring also the eradication of rights for men. If you ask older professional women they will tell you that they faced small annoyances but no outright prohibition on their career-seeking behavior, and if their sisters chose to be housewives and mothers, it was because back then most women had the option to be housewives and mothers if they wished. Today, thanks to feminism and its liberal friends, it's much more difficult for a woman to choose those worthy domestic careers.
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posted on
01/13/2006 7:21:43 AM PST
by
Capriole
(I don't have any problems that can't be solved by more chocolate or more ammunition.)
To: Capriole
Amen!
My maternal grandmother (born 1895) was a bacteriologist at the Medical College of Georgia (Augusta). My paternal grandmother (born 1890) became a day trader on the stock market after she was left a widow with three young children. They were ladies to their fingertips.
They laughed at obstacles, or ignored them and forged ahead. The secret is to be cheerful, persistent, and courteous - ultra-ladylike if you will. Making employers and business prospects feel uncomfortable and guilty because of supposed patriarchal prejudice against women is counterproductive (and it's rude.)
("Feminist Movement? We don't need no steekin' Feminist Movement!")
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posted on
01/13/2006 7:30:16 AM PST
by
AnAmericanMother
(Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
To: SkyPilot; Northern Yankee; Victoria Delsoul; Watery Tart
"I don't like feminists, and they don't like me. But, that is their problem, not mine." Mel Gibson I LOVE IT!
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posted on
01/13/2006 7:32:03 AM PST
by
kstewskis
("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles" Fr. A. Saenz)
To: NYpeanut
Hehehehe
Two of my buddies here in CT both got raked over the coals through divorce. Both sucessful businessmen, non drinkers / non drug takers and both broke their backs trying to keep their x-wives happy (keepin up with the jones...dontcha know).
They both did the mail order bride thing. One of them 5 years ago...another one 7 years ago. Both of them (all 4 actually) could not be happier.
I also have several very wealthy customers who've gone that route. They too are very happy. I'm not sure what all this means but in every case that I've come across...all the people are happy in their marriages.
These Brides came from:
Thailand , Ukraine, Dominican Republic and 2 from Philippines. The Thai lady and the 2 from Philli are very well educated....much more so than the average dummy who graduates from a typical North East liberal college.
Maybe there's more to it than meets the eye.
....just my 2 cents...
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posted on
01/13/2006 7:32:08 AM PST
by
taxed2death
(A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
To: meowmeow
"Men just don't like women who treat them like sh!t. And I don't blame them."
That bears repeating. Obviously that axe swings both ways too.
:)
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posted on
01/13/2006 7:36:51 AM PST
by
taxed2death
(A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
To: SkyPilot
OMG Mel's eyes are piercing even in black and white *sigh* ;-)
I believe no one has ever done LESS for women than feminists.
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posted on
01/13/2006 7:39:23 AM PST
by
lawgirl
("You can try to wipe the memories aside, but it's you that you erase..." Honestly- Billy Corgan)
To: Chanticleer
But in the few weeks he has been working, I've seen tremendous improvement in his attitude. Sometimes that first paycheck helps in that arena :)
Good luck with him, I'm sure he'll be a fast learner.
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posted on
01/13/2006 7:40:56 AM PST
by
kstewskis
("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles" Fr. A. Saenz)
To: SkyPilot
Great photos; even gretter quote!
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posted on
01/13/2006 7:41:55 AM PST
by
VOA
To: kstewskis
The first paycheck definitely helps ... but seeing how quickly it goes helps even more. We made him reimburse us for this uniform cost. He has to reserve 10% of his pay for tithe, 10% for short-term savings, 10% for our inconvenience (he doesn't drive yet), and 20% for long-term savings. The remainder, after taxes and his costs, is his to keep.
Also, after an 8-hour shift of standing on his feet, he is finally beginning to appreciate how his father feels after a hard day's work. Bliss!
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posted on
01/13/2006 7:52:02 AM PST
by
Chanticleer
(Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. Lewis)
To: Northern Yankee
AND...I'm expecting my copy of this book any day now!
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posted on
01/13/2006 7:54:25 AM PST
by
kstewskis
("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles" Fr. A. Saenz)
To: Chanticleer
Wonderful!
And he's learning this at his "tender" age of 17, all 6'7" of him. Bless his heart.
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posted on
01/13/2006 7:56:32 AM PST
by
kstewskis
("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles" Fr. A. Saenz)
To: rhema
btt
I'm buying this book.
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posted on
01/13/2006 8:06:11 AM PST
by
Marie
(Support the Troops. Slap a hippy.)
To: Chanticleer
I took my first job the summer after I turned 15 (Late 90's, 15 yr old could still get a driver license in my state) as a floorsweep in an un-airconditioned warehouse. Worked every summer since then and some during the school year. I think it did me a world of good, and my kids are going to get a job as soon as they are able (hopefully the driving age won't be raised to 18 by then! ;). Some of my college acquaintances have never worked a day in their life, and I really think its going to bite them in their behinds when they try to get a 'real' job.
To: somniferum
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posted on
01/13/2006 8:13:54 AM PST
by
Chanticleer
(Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. Lewis)
To: Aussiebabe
Your comment actually reminds me of something my Dad told me once. As a 90 year old who'd worked a few years in the Texas oil fields, he's been in a lot of seedy bars and road houses and has seen (and been in) a lot of brawls and fights. Now here's the tricky part that might get people yelling at me, let me see if I can paraphrase him correctly: Men fight more often, and sometimes its sort of half hearted and full of bluster and posture.
However, the scariest fight he'd ever seen was in New York City. This was back sometime in the 50s, and he was working in the Bronx. He passed a vacant lot where some girls were having a cat fight and he said it was the most blood thirsty, viceous thing he'd ever seen. These women weren't posturing, they were going for the throat.
His thesis being that men, being the hunter gatherer- caretakers, can almost fight for sport. Whereas, since women are hardwired to be nurturing care givers, it takes extreme circumstances to motivate women into a state of violence--so when they do fight, they go for the kill.
Granted, he's from a different generation and has a lot of disdain (as do I, actually) for the women's movement, but I wonder if there's actually some truth to his observation.
I know from personal experience, I'm a she-wolf when it comes to protecting my little girl (as are most Moms, I think--save for the crazy ones.)
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posted on
01/13/2006 8:26:58 AM PST
by
RepoGirl
("Ow! My eye! I'm not supposed to get jigs in it!" Lenny Leonard)
To: AnAmericanMother
Clearly you have inherited the wisdom and values of your ancestresses.
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posted on
01/13/2006 8:31:45 AM PST
by
Capriole
(I don't have any problems that can't be solved by more chocolate or more ammunition.)
To: GermanBusiness
The liberals got some things right: the weekend, child labor laws, women being able to ask men out for coffee.Shirley, you must be joking!
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posted on
01/13/2006 8:44:05 AM PST
by
Revolting cat!
("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
To: AnAmericanMother
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posted on
01/13/2006 8:56:33 AM PST
by
Nea Wood
(A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children. Proverbs 13:22)
To: meowmeow
However...I must say that while persistence, hard work and keeping my wits about me have given me a great career, freedom for travel and adventure, and financial success, all of that was made a little easier to achieve because of the feminist movement. Feminism for all its faults did open doors. It's just that there are still a lot of ugly, stupid women standing on the threshold complaining instead of just walking through. And I had no trouble getting married in my late 30s. That men are intimidated by intelligent, strong women is a myth. Men just don't like women who treat them like sh!t. And I don't blame them. I agree with your whole post :~D
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posted on
01/13/2006 8:57:44 AM PST
by
HairOfTheDog
(Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
To: GermanBusiness
"I really don't admire much at all the concept that our troops need to have an emotional blackmail held over them in the form of a supposed need not to lose face in front of other men in combat."
That's not holding anything over anyone's head; it's just the way human males are.
"And I have also heard that males in combat can actually be more heroic than usual when there are women on the field whose lives depend on them "
Yeah, heroic enough to get themselves killed and lose the fight, which is one of the reasons Israel quit sending women into combat.
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posted on
01/13/2006 9:07:40 AM PST
by
dsc
(Islamic sexual violence against women should be treated as the repressive epidemic it is.)
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