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To: Fester Chugabrew
"Some things are self-evident. Intelligent design happens to be one of them."

To you. Now, you have to find objective evidence to convince someone else it's true too.

"Those who believe it do not need to be convinced they are right."

Yes, it's a subjective emotional response.

"If you can produce an example of unorganized matter that does not behave according to predictable laws, then you will be well on your way to establishing a reason to discard intelligent design as a self-evident, objective reality."

You have already said that a designer could also make unorganized matter that does not behave according to predictable laws, so finding it would not rule out a designer. There is no test for one.
977 posted on 01/06/2006 12:05:20 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
. . . so finding it would not rule out a designer.

True. It would only lessen the likelihood of intelligent design as an accurate, objective way of viewing the universe. Finding a dinosaur in a Brazilian rain forest would not rule out evolution either, but would only lessen the likelihood of certain features of the theory.

978 posted on 01/06/2006 12:13:12 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Intelligent design...

I just ran into a nice definition in Science News, Vol. 168, Nos. 26 & 27, p. 414:

What is intelligent design?

It's the missing link between creationism and religious instruction masquerading as biology.

Bruce Bower


983 posted on 01/06/2006 12:52:41 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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