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There are two wings of the Republican Party: the ideologically-driven wing which is committed to the fight against liberalism against all else, and the wing which is committed to governing and which realizes that compromise is essential to successful governance.

The ideological wing of the party has launched an intra-party fight in the expectation that it will serve to energize Republicans for the upcoming elections.

I believe they are wrong.

Rush Limbaugh has been advancing the argument that a fight between Republicans is a good thing.

He uses the example of the 1976 Republican convention as his example.

He argues that the fight surrounding Ronald Reagan’s nomination challenge to Gerald Ford energized the base so that Reagan was able to win in 1980.

Rush’s reasoning is an example of the logical fallacy post hoc, ergo propter hoc (after the fact therefore because of the fact) and as such is thoroughly specious.

Reagan’s challenge to Ford almost certainly was the reason that Ford lost, but that’s as far as it goes.

The reason that Ronald Reagan won in 1980 was because Jimmy Carter was such a thoroughgoing doofus, not because Reagan challenged Ford in 1976.

Had a capable Democrat been elected instead of the hapless Carter, Reagan might not have been elected.

I, for one, do not want to see this scenario repeated.

The election of someone like Hillary Clinton in 2008 will not necessarily guarantee conservative victories in subsequent elections.

We’re still paying for the Carter administration — the Iranian ayatollahs, the Panama Canal lost, a prohibition on oil drilling in Anwar and other national indignities.

Rush is dead wrong about the desirability of an intra-party fight and so are the idealogues who threaten to wreck the GOP.

1 posted on 10/16/2005 6:40:05 PM PDT by quidnunc
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Rush Limbaugh is the best political analyst in the country and he is right over 95% of the time. Unfortunately his stand on the Miers nomination, and his analysis in this whole issue of being anti-Miers, is wrong, very wrong.
2 posted on 10/16/2005 6:45:33 PM PDT by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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I find it a bit ironic quidnunc that you are citing the Telegraph to support your position on the Miers nomination.


3 posted on 10/16/2005 6:45:35 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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Rush is dead wrong about the desirability of an intra-party fight and so are the idealogues who threaten to wreck the GOP.

As a committed idealogue (and Rush fan), I believe that it is the "moderates" and other RINOs who threaten to wreck the GOP.

4 posted on 10/16/2005 6:46:42 PM PDT by SIDENET ("You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred")
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There are two wings of the Republican Party: the ideologically-driven wing which is committed to the fight against liberalism against all else, and the wing which is committed to governing and which realizes that compromise is essential to successful governance.

Nonsense, pure and simple. Compromise is for RINOs. The biggest problem for the Dimocratic party is its non-adherence to principles. The Dims are so desperate to stick to power that they are willing to compromise on anything. Obviously, the liberals want conservatives to be like them. Fat chance of that happening.............
5 posted on 10/16/2005 6:47:51 PM PDT by indcons (Let the Arabs take care of their jihadi brothers this time around (re: Paki earthquake))
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To: quidnunc; Stellar Dendrite

Had to add your own bias to the headline, right?

Stellar Dendrite: ping-a-ling.


6 posted on 10/16/2005 6:50:57 PM PDT by indcons (Let the Arabs take care of their jihadi brothers this time around (re: Paki earthquake))
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"I'm a little surprised they came out of the box so cynically,"

Totally tone deaf.

7 posted on 10/16/2005 6:51:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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I believe that Harriet Miers will be confirmed but at considerable political cost. Once on the Supreme Court, if she does anything other than huddle close to Scalia/Thomas, if she goes squishy like O'Connor, she will do great harm both to Bush and the Republican Party.


8 posted on 10/16/2005 6:51:46 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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I don't think Ford lost because Regan challenged him in the primaries. I think he lost because of Nixon, and because he pardoned Nixon, and because the MSM of course made him out a dolt from day one. Of course, the MSM was quite cruel to Carter too, but he was indeed a miserable failure.


9 posted on 10/16/2005 6:53:15 PM PDT by jocon307
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Rush is dead wrong about the desirability of an intra-party fight and so are the idealogues who threaten to wreck the GOP.

You make a well-reasoned argument, but I think it is you who is wrong. I do want an intra-party fight so that we--the so-called ideologues--can finally exercise power instead of chafing under the governance of party leaders who care little about important issues (such as abortion and gay marriage) and who treat politics as a game instead of as a war. The absolute last thing I want to see is the GOP turned into a mushy, stand-for-nothing party.
10 posted on 10/16/2005 6:53:41 PM PDT by hispanichoosier
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Bush loyalists are performing mental gymnastics to rationalize, justify, and defend this feckless pick. Bush started this fight by choosing a stealthy mediocrity much to the disappointment of damn near everyone (including persistent defender and Mier supporter Hugh Hewitt, who wanted Luttg). W pulled an HW and the prognosis is poor. W divided the conservatives not the other way around.


12 posted on 10/16/2005 6:55:29 PM PDT by Maynerd
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As long as the nominee has good common sense and is a Conservative, I dont care if Bush picked Mickey Mouse.
I think all this crap about Harriet Miers is just that. A lot of crap.


19 posted on 10/16/2005 7:00:36 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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I think Rhenquist/O'Connor is to the right of Roberts/Meiers and the Court is the major reason I voted for Bush and have stuck with him all this time, notwithsatnding a busted budget, etc. With 55 Senators, there is no reason for him to pick this apparatchick. Worse than an opportunity lost, its a betrayal in a way.

Oh, and the argument that this fight ensures a Hillary election is specious in itself. The Republican nominee will not be the current President or his VP. Seperate issues..

20 posted on 10/16/2005 7:04:12 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: quidnunc

What is an ultra-conservative?


23 posted on 10/16/2005 7:07:26 PM PDT by Raycpa
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and the wing which is committed to governing and which realizes that compromise is essential to successful governance.

Compromise is has its place. That place in not interpreting the Constitution and enforcing the rule of law.

Bottom line is that if the Dems gave the identical statements to support a Clinton appointee and the identical attacks against other Dems who opposed that nominee we would all be laughing ourselves to death.

Try this intellectual exercise-- defend Janice Rogers Brown as a nominee and list every fact, accomplishment and argument that you can to support her. Now cross off each item on the list that doesn't apply to Miers. Are you beginning to see the problem?
24 posted on 10/16/2005 7:08:31 PM PDT by Ragnorak
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To: Colonial Warrior

ping


27 posted on 10/16/2005 7:13:41 PM PDT by Colonial Warrior ("I've entered the snapdragon part of my ....Part of me has snapped...the rest is draggin'.")
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"came out of the box so cynically"

And all the time they thought they had everyone in the "box." Way to go Mr. Card, you played the game of blind man's bluff and lost.


30 posted on 10/16/2005 7:15:03 PM PDT by gpapa (Boost FR Traffic! Make FR your home page!)
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"They are lobbying for an ultra-conservative with an established judicial record."

They are itching to lose a fight.

33 posted on 10/16/2005 7:16:35 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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They are lobbying for an ultra-conservative with an established judicial record.

"Ultra-conservative?". I'll settle for someone who isn't a radical Dukakis Democrat. It's relative though, of course. Anyone to the right of Dukakis could be seen as "ultra-conservative" from a Marxist Brit perspective.

The Kennedy's and Breyer's would likely put special emphasis on this foreign perspective.

46 posted on 10/16/2005 7:27:26 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To sum up, suck up a possible O'Connor or worse, at best merely a "yes" vote which is an embarassment for a movement that has staked their credibility NOT on activism but adherance to the Constitution. An argument the public bought and purchased in 2004.

Even though in the elections the Republican Party and President himself advanced the argument we only needed 2-3 more seats to effect real change. Elections over, oops, sorry, compromise on the Constitution again.

When conservatives don't roll over, call them names. Demean them. Attack them. Strongarm not the RINO's or red state Dems, oh no, but the conservative Republicans!

WHAT IS HER JUDICIAL PHILOSOPHY! Would someone please show me documented evidence of one? What are her thoughts on the Constitution other than the generic words that she'll "strictly interpret" The Constitution?

No one here can do that. The W.H. cannot do that. So, the attacks continue in hopes we'll be worn down.

Forget it. My opposition remains until documents providing a sound Constitutional/Judicial philosophy emerge.


51 posted on 10/16/2005 7:31:31 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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This analysis is OFF-BASE for a simple reason:
The cause of the intra-party fighting is a direct result of Andy Card's actions and NOT Rush's or anyone elses.

The first day, Rush declared he was "neutral" on the nomination and for the right reason: He simply didn't have enough information to know what to think. He, me, and millions of conservatives were flummoxed by a pick that we were hoping would be a stellar, proven conservative that we could rally around. As we learned more, we are left with a pick that gives NO real guarantee of conservativeness and many questions of capability and experience.

We are supposed to line up and jump for joy over that?
Many of us are deeply disappointed we didn't get a real, proven conservative that we could defend. The Bush WH split the party needlessly with a sub-par nominee.

If Andy Card wants to find out who made this intra-party fight happen, he should look in the mirror.


52 posted on 10/16/2005 7:34:11 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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